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Topic: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start? - CARLSEN (Read 8309 times)
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Cell
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Were Mary's parents John (1827) and Mary (1829) ? I think my partner has links to this seafairing Johnson family. Let me know
Hi, I've only just seen your above message, so sorry for not replying to it sooner
Johnson's ; I've had to look through some of my folders to refresh my memory with this line . I traced the Johnson's about two years ago, so the Johnson line is not really fresh in my memory at the moment.
Here are some of the details: John Johnson , occupation mariner abt 1828, Mary his wife also abt 1828 ( Nee Davies. Then I think her father is Morgan T Davies - her mother is Jane Hancorne).
Some of their (John and Mary Johnson) children are:
John abt 1850
Mary 1853( my husband's GG grandmother, the one who married Charles Carlsen)
Rebbecca abt 1857 ( I've know I've left some of the children off, I'm trying to look through all my folders here)
John Johnson father was also called John Johnson abt 1801 occupation pilot ( who had a lot of other children besides John junior his son )
John Johnson junior ( 1828) lived at Elephant st (Swansea) in 51, and the Graig in 61 ( Swansea) (ref RG9/4104, folio12 schedule 070), and in 1841 lived with his father John senior at little wind st . I think I've got that right - I'm trying to find all the censuses and info in my folders on the Johnson's.
This Johnson family gets very confusing. I know this line drove me around the bend at the time when I was tracing them ,with them all being called John Johnson, father's sons, brothers etc etc lol
The oldest sons in each generation are all called John Johnson and the family are all pilots and mariners.
when I first traced this John Johnson family I started to get visions of lots of little "Don Johnson's" running around with white shoes -Miami vice  lol! It drove me totally around the bend.
Are these yours too, the Johnson's who lived in little Wind st (1841), then Elephant st (1851)and the Graig(1861) ?
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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davidpinkney
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Margaret Richardson (nee Robinson)
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Now i know this must fit in somewhere!!!!
I have these details so far (all bmd's etc are from microfilm in Swansea archives)
1841 Little Wind Street
John Johnson - 40 - Pilot (christened 28/7/1797, Swansea St Mary)
Elizabeth Johnson - 30
children Jane, John, Thomas, Eliza, Mary and Nicholas
+ Nicholas Johnson - 80 - Pilot who i believe is John's father but have no proof except John's christening above says fathers name Nicholas. I think Nicholas was married twice to Ann Morgan 21/5/1793 and Jane Jones 15/2/1808
John Johnson (snr) married Elizabeth Thomas 29/10/1833 in Swansea St Mary but prior to this where your link comes from did he marry Jane Morris 7/2/1821, Swansea St Mary (let me know if this is right?)
Nicholas Johnson (snr) buried 8/11/1844 in Swansea St Mary (note 1841 census states Nicholas born Foreign)
I'm more confused the more i write, still have not boxed this family off, need some help
The branch you have down to your husband is from John senior like you say, my partner's is from George Johnson (1806), John seniors brother. I have your John junior born 7/11/1827 and christened 14/12/1827. I have three siblings for him. Nicholas (who i have as the eldest born 6/5/1821 died 25/1/1836), Jane Johnson born 7/10/1825 and a very confusing Ann 14/11/1825 which is obviously not possible as the too birth dates are too close together!
That means i Have all Nicholas as the first borns not John!
Nicholas born circa 1758
Nicholas born circa 1794
Nicholas born 1821
and then John born circa 1850 (brother of Rebecca and Mary)
I have the 1851 and 1861 census details as you and then 1871 in 40 Vincent street
send me a PM with your email if you wanna swap more detailed info!
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSwansea (Glamorgan) - Reynish/Johnson Yorkshire/Durham - Pinkney/Richardson/Robinson/Gill Wiltshire - Hibberd London/Surrey - Clark Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire - Spencer, Broughton, Sprigg, Martin Cornwall - Sowden Herefordshire/Shropshire/Wales - Worrall Essex - Saville Dorset - Atkins, Govier Devon - Wakely, Parsons |
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Tricia_2
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"Family ~ link to our past, bridge to our future"
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This page might interest you:
Behind the Name:
http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/fin.php
KAARLE m Finnish
Finnish form of CHARLES
KAARLO m Finnish
Finnish form of CHARLES
KALLE m Swedish, Finnish
Swedish and Finnish pet form of KARL
Also:
KARL
Gender: Masculine
Usage: German, Scandinavian
Pronounced: KAHRL (German, English)
German and Scandinavian form of CHARLES.
http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=n&terms=karl
CARL
Gender: Masculine
Usage: German, Scandinavian, English
Pronounced: KAHRL (German, English)
German form of CHARLES.
http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=n&terms=carl
An item on this page indicated that Kalle = Charles:
http://www.sukututkimusseura.fi/place/placewae.htm
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Neal(e),Ropier,Jeynes/Jeens/Geens,Harris,Colley,Dyer,Baysand,Heeks~Glos Beckford/Grafton/Ashton B'ham
Hampton,Doyle~ Swansea,Merthyr/Dowlais,Pontypridd
Maldoon~Pontypridd,Frome
Davies~MerthyrTydfil
Llewellyn~S.Wales
Keefe,O'Keefe~MountainAsh,Pontypridd, PA
Svombo/Swambo/Swanbo~Greece Hydra; Cork/Queenstown; Glam~Cardiff,Pontypridd
Barry~Cork Queenstown; Glam
Thornton~Yorks Baildon; Glam Swansea,Merthyr
Jones~Carmarthen Llanboidy
Sarjant,Cole~B'ham,Leamington,Worcester
Hiley/Tirebuck/Mason~Bham
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jorose
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His birthplace may be Kristinestad/Kristiinankaupunki, and there are some Finnish parish records online:
http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en
However, there are a lot of Carls with fathers Carl in the right sort of time frame (it's set up so if you enter Karl etc you'll get Carls back).
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Cell
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Posts: 700
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Hi thanks so much for the replies Jorose and Tricia, I've only just see them.
Hi David, I've only just got back into this side. When I eventually put all my info together on the Johnson's I will send you the info - As it stands now, it's all over the place in various files . The Johnson's got confusing last time and I put it down for a while- this time I'm sorting it out for once and for all (I hope)
I think you may have two families mixed up. Just my thoughts: I think that there were two Nicholas Johnson's around Swansea at the time - one married an Ann in 1793 , the other a Jane in 1808. Reason being as in 1820 "our" Nicholas Johnson was still married to an Ann.
He and his wife seem to have fallen on hard times in the 1820 as he and Ann put in a claim with Trinity house in Swansea ( the seamens mission) . That's unless he married three times, which is possible of course - ie Ann first then Jane and then to a another Ann .
The report of the coroners inquest of Nicholas Johnson ( There was an inquest into his death in 1844) could mention family members , I'm about to email for the cost of it , and order it by post, which will probably take a few weeks by slow mail.
confused?, I am !
Kind regards
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Andrea Hertel
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi - Struggling to do something similar and getting nowhere fast! My great grandfather is placed on his Master Mariners certificate in Port of London 1836 born Auclaw Prussia. Where is that??
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wendy47
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My Wonderful & Funny Father
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Hi
I too am struggling. Abram Carlson b c 1833 Sweden, a Ship's Carpenter. What is it about Swedish Ship's Carpenters?
Have you looked for Charlson?
I did find mine under that name when he obviously registered anything because of his accent but he never mentioned his place of birth.
IGI has a Abram that could be him and it looks like I'm going to have to hire a Swedish researcher.
It doesn't help that his son names him Edward on the wedding cert but all the censuses have him as Abraham.
You have my sympathies. Good luck
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
PROBABLE IMPOSSIBILITIES ARE TO BE PREFERRED TO IMPROBABLE POSSIBILITIES - ARISTOTLE
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madpants
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Old Pants for Mum44
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Not that it's a lot of help to you Wendy, but we have Carlsson friends in Sweden and have been told that the C spelling is posher than the K  
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GREENWELL - Middlesbrough
TURNBULL - Houghton le Spring, Coxhoe, Spennymoor
DEVEY - Pentonville, Stockton, M'bro
MOHAN/HUN - Stockton on Tees
SCRAFTON - Darlington
BROADBENT - Saddleworth, Ashton Under Lyne
HEMSWELL - Grantham, M'bro
SIMPKINS - M'bro
SIMPKIN - Little Wratting, Suffolk
MALLALIEU - Saddleworth, Ashton U L
GOODWIN - Macclesfield Forest
SUTCLIFFE - Heptonstall, Ashton U L
PLIMMER - Pontesbury, Ashton U L
CAMBRIDGE - Goulborne, Ashton U L
SIDDALL - Ashton U L
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wendy47
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My Wonderful & Funny Father
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Hi madpants
I expect nothing less.
CHARLSON must be royalty
Wendy
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
PROBABLE IMPOSSIBILITIES ARE TO BE PREFERRED TO IMPROBABLE POSSIBILITIES - ARISTOTLE
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Candolim_Imp
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Re: the listing of Carl being married in an early census, I wouldn't assume that was right.
My GG grandfather was a merchant seaman from Denmark and was listed as married on board ship some years before his marriage to my GG grandmother. For a while, my sister wondered about bigamy, but I believe it was a simple case of laziness and lack of knowledge/interest of the person who submitted the information. I suspect that one person (master/captain etc) gave the enumerator the data on all the crew, so the ages and birthplaces might be correct, being on ship records or being well-known, but a sailor's marital status would likely be unknown and of little interest to the master of the ship.
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Hodge; Southport, Lancs
Pugh; Salop, Liverpool
Hulm; Bootle, Southport
Guildford; Liverpool
Clausen; Denmark, Liverpool
Yapp/Yopp; Salop
Marshall, Rimmer, Howard, Johnson, Jackson; Southport
Bury; Heref, Herts
Dady; Norfolk, Southport
Colebourne; Liverpool
Small; Barbados, Liverpool
Murray; West Indies, Liverpool
Williams; Africa, Liverpool
Jenner; Glos
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