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Topic: Help with DIXON - all getting too much... (Read 833 times)
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Geoff E
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Harrington comes in Whitehaven Dist, Workington in Cockermouth Dist.
You missed this possible Thomas/Sarah marriage - I would hesitate in going to Penrith without good reason.
Marriages Jun 1874
**DIXON Thomas Armstrong Whitehaven 10b 1027
**HANNAH Sarah Jane Whitehaven 10b 1027
McLaughlin Margaret Whitehaven 10b 1027
REID Thomas Whitehaven 10b 1027
Here is a possible birth-
Births Mar 1878
Dixon John Thomas S Whitehaven 10b 577
This accounts for one in Penrith
Deaths Sep 1878
Dixon John Thomas 0 Penrith 10b 277
Unfortunately, Ancestry censuses are not available at the moment, we'll have to check later.
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sillgen
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Hi
Can you give more information and say how you know it. For instance, how do you know his date and place of birth? Have you found him on a later census? Who did he marry? What kids did they have? What was his address and occupation at marriage? What did his father do? Who were the witnesses? They are often family members and can help to distinguish between one family and another. If you have some certificates then you actually can glean an awful lot from them.
I did not understand "There are two of these - one Penrith the other Whitehaven."
The 1881 census is free to search on either ancestry.co.uk or familysearch.org One way forward is to look at every Dixon male of the right age until you find one with father Thomas.
Let us know a bit more and I am sure someone will be able to help.
Andrea
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2 lil dicky birds
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Hi, thanks for your comments 
I have John Thomas Dixon's marriage certificate.
He had only just got back from the Boer War (why he was not on the 1901 Census.)
Certificate reads;
1903 The Parish Church, St Johns Workington, Cumberland
December 26(?)th 1903
John Thomas Dixon, 26, Bachelor, Labourer, Main St Distington, Father; Thomas Dixon deceased - quarryman
Annie Whitehead, 26,, Spinster, Furnace Row Workington, Father; William Whitehead deceased - miner.
Witnessed by
William Wilson (Annie's younger step brother)
Mary Annie Robinson
This is registered Cockermouth
I have 2 of his 4 childrens birth certificates born here in New Zealand which listed birth place and age of father (John Thomas Dixon) as Parton Cumberland, England.
On JT Dixon's death certificate it has Harrington, County Cumberland, England. 81 year (abt) . Father - Thomas Mother - unknown
There are two meaning there are 2 John Thomas Dixons born 1878 one in Penrith one in Whitehaven. - how do you tell which one is his without ordering them.
I hope this helps explain - or can you help me more??
Thanks heaps
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Dixon - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Stables - Cumbria, England
Eckersley - Cumbria, England
Brigham - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Whitehead - Lancashire/Cumbria, England
Wilson - Lancashire/Cumbria England
McKeand - Wigtownshire Scotland
Monaghan - not sure yet/New Zealand
Langley - Somerset, England
Pearce - England/New Zealand
Wensor - New Zealand
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trish251
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Hi
There is no definitive answer - you follow all the paths until you have eliminated all but one (hopefully) or find definite proof of one.
As Geoff said - If the one in Penrith died, the one in Whitehaven is presumably yours - but - are you sure the year was 1878? Based on the marriage Dec 1903, age 26 I would think the birth was 1877 (but my arithmetic is not good). You have given us age at death (abt 81, but not year of death). - Ages given vary for many different reasons, so it is wise to search more than one year.
There are a couple of John Thomas Dixons registered in West Ward 1877 - which Genuki says is in Cumberland, but freeBDM says is in Westmoreland. An English expert could no doubt explain.
As Andrea mentioned, you need to find him on a census. The 1881 is free to view at familysearch.org .
There is no John Dixon listed with a father Thomas - so - either his father had died by 1881 OR there are spelling / location errors and you need to check virtually every John Dixon and perhaps every John Thomas born in Cumberland of the approx age. If you know the names of his siblings you could try searching for them.
There is a John Thomas of correct age, born Worthington, but his father is Edward, mother Catherine which tends to bring you back to the obvious - Harrington in Whitehaven.
If you think you have the correct person - you can buy the certificate - but note that the man born in Whitehaven is registered John Thomas S - did your man have another name? Could this be a pointer that his mother's maiden name began with an S or is it simply for Samuel 
I found a possible John Thomas in 1891 born Arlecdon - living at Cockermouth - but he is living at an industrial school - student and gardener. Is it possible he was an orphan?
Trish
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sillgen
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Hi again
If you google "Parton Cumbria" you will find an article about it - it is on the coast by Moresby and very close to Harrington and Whitehaven. That would make sense of the different places of birth. I should write to Whitehaven register office and ask them to check if that particular birth is the son of a Thomas. You can then get it if it is. Ask about the marriage too as they will be able to see the mother's maiden name on the birth certificate. I think Penrith is a red herring - it is too far away. On the whole they tended to marry locally. Though I suppose there are always exceptions to every rule!
Otherwise try getting the film of the parish of Harrington at your nearest LDS centre or ask for a specific look up for a baptism.
Have you looked for Hannah's marriage? Another possible line to follow.
Andrea
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sillgen
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Hannah Elizabeth Dixon and George Brigham married Jun quarter 1900 Cockermouth 10b 1075
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sillgen
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1901 census RG13 4883 F12 p15 14 Cross Hill Workington
George Brigham Hd 29 Steelworker b Workington
Hannah E wi 24 b Broughton
Broughton is in the same area but inland a bit.
Have you though of looking at his army records if JTD was in the Boer War?
Andrea
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Hi,
Thanks for that. Yes I have a copy of what they used to call "the small book", which is apparently what they had 2 copies of - one for the office and one on the soldier. This is where his father is listed as Thomas, mother (in brackets Sarah) and Hannah older sister, George younger brother, and Edward as younger brother. This dated 1899 when JT was enlisted for the Boer War. We have his medal card too now.
Have ordered a copy of what I hope is Hannah Elizabeth Dixon's birth certificate. Born June 1876 10b 580, Cockermouth. This date is right for the census as it was done in March and she hadn't had her birthday. Right? - and the middle name Elizabeth from the marriage.
ta muchly
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Dixon - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Stables - Cumbria, England
Eckersley - Cumbria, England
Brigham - Cumbria, England/New Zealand
Whitehead - Lancashire/Cumbria, England
Wilson - Lancashire/Cumbria England
McKeand - Wigtownshire Scotland
Monaghan - not sure yet/New Zealand
Langley - Somerset, England
Pearce - England/New Zealand
Wensor - New Zealand
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trish251
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The Church of the the Latter Day Saints Family history centre. If you go to
www.familysearch.org and where it says "find a family history centre near you" - enter New Zealand & you can find your closest centre. They have much useful family history research information available. If you find a family entry on the IGI you can order the parish film from them to check for any more details. If you haven't visited your local centre, it is well worth a visit.
Trish
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