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TUDOR
« on: Sunday 12 February 06 12:29 GMT (UK) » |
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I am looking for any TUDOR Family who may be connected to Henry Charles Tudor c 1874 from Dursley Gloucestershire
who married Laura Emma BAILEY 11 April 1877. The were married 11 June 1901 at Earlstown Lancs
Regards
Alf Beard
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lancs.fox
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Re: TUDOR
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 February 06 12:40 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi Alf,
Before I do any look-ups, could you clarify for me:
(1) whether you are actually wanting to try to make contact with descendants of Henry Charles Tudor (or with other people researching the same family, relatives or otherwise) or
(2) whether you want look-ups etc. for the 1881, 1891 and 1901 Censuses.
If the latter, I'd be pleased to help.
Regards,
Richard
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Re: TUDOR
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 February 06 12:55 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi Alf,
As I had a moment to spare I thought that I'd have a look at the 1901 Census, in case you don't already have it. I can transcribe the earlier ones if needs be.
1901 Census
122 Market Street, Newton-in-Makerfield
William H. Bailey - Head - md. - 60 - Wheelwright - b. Glos., Eam (?)
Emma A. Bailey - w. - md. - 60 - b. Wilts., Box
Charles Bailey - s. - unm. - 33 - Wheelwright - b. Lancs., Earlstown
George J. (?) Bailey - s. - unm. - 26 - Blacksmith - b. Lancs., Earlstown
Laura E. Bailey - d. - unm. - 23 - Music Teacher - b. Lancs., Earlstown
Henry C. Tudor - Visitor - unm. - 26 - Railway Clerk - b. Glos., Slimbridge
Reference: RG13 / 3574 / ED9 / f.75 / p.36
Regards,
Richard
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Re: TUDOR
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 February 06 17:30 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi Richard
That's my family, thanks very much for the new information
Alf
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Re: TUDOR
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 February 06 21:50 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi Alf,
As you have not indicated whether or not you have the census details for the Tudor family prior to 1901, I've decided to provide them anyway just in case. They are recorded here, in the time honoured fashion, 'in reverse order'.
1891 Census
25 Nelson Street, Barton St. Mary, Gloucestershire
Edwin Tudor - Head - md. - 45 - Labourer - b. Glos., Hardwick
Mary Tudor - w. - md. - 43 - b. Gloster (sic)
Henry Tudor - s. - unm. - 17 - Labourer - b. Gloster
Alice Tudor - d. - unm. - 15 - b. Gloster
Robert Tudor - s. - 12 - Scholar - b. Gloster
Elizabeth Tudor - d. - 14 - Scholar - b. Gloster
Arren (?) Tudor - s. - 8 - Scholar - b. Gloster
Charles Tudor - s. - 6 - Scholar - b. Gloster
Emma Tudor - d. - 3 - b. Gloster
1881 Census
Henworthy Cottage, Slimbridge, Gloucestershire
Henry Davis - Head - md. - 60 - Edge Tool Maker - b. Glos., Eastington
Caroline Davis - w. - md. - 46 - Dressmaker - b. Glos., Cam
Laura A. Davis - d. - 13 - Scholar - b. Glos., Slimbridge
Henry C. Tudor - Cousin - 6 - b. Glos., Coaley
That's three different birth places for Henry in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 Censuses!
1871 Census
Tudor family not yet found there
1861 Census
Farm House, Churcham, Gloucestershire
James Stephens - Head - Wid. - 51 - Farmer of 70 Acres Employing 2 Men & 1 Boy - b. Glos., Minsterworth
Winter Stephens - s. - unm. - 25 - Farmer's Son - b. Glos., Minsterworth
Francis Stephens - s. - unm. - 21 - Farmer's Son - b. Glos., Churcham
Mary Clutterbuck - Servant - unm. - 35 - Housekeeper - b. Glos., Whitminster
Edwin Tudor - Servant - unm. - 15 - General Servant - b. Glos., Hardwick
1851 Census
Hardwicke, Gloucestershire
Robbert (sic) Tudor - Head - md. - 47 - Bridge Keeper on Band G Canal (?) - b. Glos., Coaley
Ann M. Tudor - w. - md. - 34 - b. Glos., Wheatenhurst
Elizabeth Cresswell - Stepdaughter - 12 - b. Glos., Hardwicke
Emma Cresswell - Stepdaughter - 11 - b. Glos., Hardwicke
Henry H. Tudor - s. - 7 - Scholar - b. Glos., Hardwicke
Edwin Tudor - s. - 5 - b. Glos., Hardwicke
James T. Tudor - s. - 2 - b. Glos., Hardwicke
Emily Tudor - d. - 2 mths. - b. Glos., Hardwicke
Incidentally, Edwin Tudor was baptised at Hardwicke on 14 December 1845, parents Robert and Ann Maria.
Hope this helps your research.
Regards,
Richard
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Re: TUDOR
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 February 06 16:49 GMT (UK) » |
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Richard
You are a STAR many thanks for the information
Regards
Alf
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Re: TUDOR
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 February 06 19:46 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi Alf,
Potential problem!!
I have tried following Edwin Tudor forwards from the last Census I posted for him, 1861, but have not found him in 1871. However, I have found him in 1881.
I'll set out the 1881 details first and then explain my concerns about Edwin in relation to Henry Charles Tudor.
1881 Census
18 Nelson Street, Barton St. Mary, Gloucester
Edwin Tudor - Head - md. - 34 - Engine Driver on Vessel - b. Glos., Hardwick
Mary Ann Tudor - w. - md. - 32 - b. Gloucester
Henry Thomas Tudor - s. - 6 - Scholar - b. Gloucester
Alice Mary Tudor - d. - 5 - Scholar - b. Gloucester
Robert Edwin Tudor - s. - 2 - b. Gloucester
Elizabeth Gladys Tudor - d. - 9 mths. - b. Gloucester
The difficulty which I currently have is that there are two Henry Tudors in 1881: the one with the middle name initial letter 'C.' at Henworthy Cottage, Slimbridge (which appears to be the right one) and then this one above - Henry Thomas (who is clearly now not the right one, particularly given his second name which we did not know previously).
So it appears more than likely, based on this, that Edwin and Mary Tudor are not the parents of your Henry Charles.
If this is the case, where are Henry Charles's parents in Censuses prior to 1881 and who are they?
I just do not seem to be able to place the parents at all pre-1881. The only Tudor family which seemed to fit the bill was that of Edwin and Mary but this is now very much in doubt at best, but at worst can really be ruled out.
Probably the only way to move forward with any degree of certainty would be for you to obtain the birth certificate of Henry Charles Tudor, which would obviously state beyond doubt the names of his parents, with mother's maiden name for good measure and also his father's occupation. Armed with that information, finding the family on the Censuses would be made that much safer and easier (though if they were missed off for any reason no amount of information would help).
The birth certificate reference is: Henry Charles Tudor - Birth - Dursley - 1874 September Qtr. - vol. 6a - p. 229. As you are doubtless well aware, certificates can be ordered on-line (price £7.00) at www.gro.gov.uk
What are your views on the above?
regards,
Richard
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