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Missprim
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Hi,
I spent three hours in Lincoln Archive this afternoon looking at the surviving documentation for John EDLIN’S appearance in court. The actual documents in the Session File are mostly quite crumpled and dirty. The Session Minute Book is a huge tome written in very clear copperplate handwriting – obviously a fair copy of some of the other documents.
It seems John EDLIN’S crime took place at Barrowby on 27th December 1815. He was committed for trial on the 30th May 1816 (possibly at Spilsby) and tried at the Quarter Sessions at Folkingham on the 16th July 1816. There he was found guilty of stealing a hog pig from Mr DORR, a farmer, at Barrowby who was prosecutor at the trial. Others giving evidence were Joseph BULLIMORE, Thomas WHITE(?), John RUSHTON Senr., and George WILLOWS; I think these men might all have been witnesses for the prosecution. I couldn’t find anything specifically about the defence nor could I find any account of the evidence for either side. John was ordered to be returned to the House of Correction at Folkingham and then transferred to the gaol in Lincoln Castle until he could be transported. There is one more reference that I still have to look at and I suspect that will be an account of his committal hearing which is where the magistrates would decide that there was a case to be answered.
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behindthefrogs
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In one of the early posts on this thread I said that the descendents of Edward Edlin (1809) were Methodist Preachers. I have just discovered that Edward was living for a period in Leicester in 1861 and was described as an Agricultural Labourer and Wesleyan Methodist Preacher.
The family were obviously not just Ag Labs because his children were the bicycle makers and founded the Leicester Coal Merchants.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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midmum
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Hi they were also blacksmiths, this would involve some degree of skill and may have paved the way to bicycle manufacture.
Heather
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Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson Notts: Smith, Hughes. Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant. census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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behindthefrogs
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You are right. Robert(1865) another Methodist Preacher son of Edward was a blacksmith in 1861 and a bicycle maker in 1881. He was the first of the bicycle makers in the family and it was his son William who built the first bicycle to be fitted with pneumatic tyres for John Dunlop.
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Missprim
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Hi,
I'm in Lincoln. I have just come out of the Archive. The last documentary source listed on the Convicts Database tells us that John EDLIN was still in Lincoln Gaol 4th January 1817.
If anyone wants the verbatim Quarter Sessions minutes for his case and my other notes please send me a P. M. Please be patient if you don't get a quick reply my computer went down on Friday - hoping to have it put right on Monday:)
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behindthefrogs
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SUSPICE has just sent me copies of two letters from his archives, one of which contains as interesting family rumour which it would be useful to substantiate.
George Edlin who emigrated to New Zealand in 1856 was said to have been a gardener for the 5th Duke of Rutland at Belvoir Castle Grantham. He was also rumoured to be a dab hand at poaching which contributed to his hasty departure from the UK.
Has anyone any thoughts on this one?
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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midmum
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Hello,
John has also sent me this info and I wondered if there were records kept of staff at the castle. Have started to look but not turned anything up. The castle opens again in April so I think I will take my children for a visit! If George had been caught poaching I am sure there would have been some records of arrest / punishment as seen for the John Edlin. In those days you could be hung for stealing sheep so to poach even hares must have been risky. I recall some article in the family tree mag and will try to locate it for suggestions. Maybe emigration may have been a more seemly alternative! The Dukes appear to have been a fairly decent lot and took care of many staff and ex soldiers so they may hve prefered this option. I was so sure I was descended from a thoroughly decent family but maybe not?
Heather
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Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson Notts: Smith, Hughes. Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant. census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Suspice
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There is also a reference to Belvoir Castle in the book written by Lester Edlin.
As soon as I return to Brisbane I will look up and send the relevant info. to you
and David. Kindest regards John
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midmum
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Hi John,
my curiosity is piqued, can't wait until you return and let us know what book and who Lester edlin is!
Have a good trip and drive carefully.
Heather
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Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson Notts: Smith, Hughes. Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant. census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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behindthefrogs
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John Edlin the convict was given his freedom certificate in NSW in 1823
http://www.genseek.net/scons23c.htm
is a useful site for this information.
CROMWELL I am confused as to why you think you might have an Edlin link. Tamworth is in Warwickshire a long way from the eastern end of Liecestershire where most of our activity was in the 17th century. Do you know something about the Egglington part of your tree which suggests that they used Edlin as an Alias. There have been cases of that in Berkshire?
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Suspice
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Hi All! Back from Sydney safe and sound ! As promised I have looked up the reference to Belvoir. From " The Edlins" compiled by Lester L Edlin ,1978 . Page 13 , paragraph 2 reads : " The Leicestershire Edlins of the village Croxton-Kerrial.They have been there since 1196. Descended from Richard Fitz Edeline who became a Freeman of the City of Leicestershire in 1196. One of this line invented the pneumatic tire and was a partner of Dunlop and Sinclair of rubber and oil fame. One of this line saved the life of the Duke of Rutland at the Battle of Waterloo, hence on the same day.This is deplicted in an oil painting in the hall of Belvoir Castle. In gratitude, anyone bearing the name of Edlin may appear at the Castle on Christmas day, demand and will receive one barrel of beer." Well that is a mouthfull, what do you all think ! Kindest regards John
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behindthefrogs
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Some time ago I had some correspondence about the freeman of Leicester with the person who runs the register nowadays, and we concluded that there was no proof that any of his descendants adopted the Edlin surname. What is also interesting is whether he was actually a descendant of William FitzEdlin, thus providing the link to medieval family and the "saga" which goes back to the year dot.
Does anyone have any leads as who it was who saved the Duke of Rutland at Waterloo and where he fits into the family?
Do you think we should send some of our Edlins to the castle next Christmas to claim their barrels? It looks like the basis of a massive New Year Party.
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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midmum
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Hello and welcome back, hope you had a good trip. That was worth waiting for! I am going to the Castle at Easter, (it reopens 1st April but hope thisn't a prank). I will take a good look at the paintings etc and see what I can glean. I am a bit miffed as I live the nearest yet don't bear the name Edlin, however I am willing to be Johns representative for the beer collection. I have not been able to locate any records for staff as yet but have been busy with visiting family. They may be at Lincoln. Having visited Croxton I am surprised at the lack of mention of Edlins locally if what Lester Edlin says is true ie that they were there since 1196. How does he justify this claim? Are there any references he provides that we could check up?
Finally received William and Janes death certificates today, registered in Grantham due to boundary changes but both died in Croxton kerrial. William described as a grocer and died of heart disease and related illness whilst Jane died of TB. Thomas registered Williams death and in 1851 he was the grocer in Croxton so obviously took over the family business. Sarah registered Janes death.
I will go do some trawling of the net now but for long as on-call
Best wishes Heather
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Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson Notts: Smith, Hughes. Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant. census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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