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ednaj
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Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« on: Monday 30 November 09 14:54 UTC (UK) »

Family emigrated to Toronto in 1908, have found them on 1911 census in Toronto. They are William Neill born 1868 Irish, Louisa M Neill born 1870 English and their children Marion Pilch born 1899, Frances born 1901, Florence born 1902 and William born 1905. After this I have no information, they seemed to have disappeared.
Also my Great Grandfather William Neill emigrated in 1902 to St Catharines with his daughter Minnie and son in law Abner Joiner. I have found the deaths of William and Minnie but Abner Joiner is a mystery. I have found them all on the 1911 census.
Could anyone be of help? I would dearly love to know what happened to them and maybe I still have relations there. I live in Northern Ireland and can't find a way to get information. Thank you
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 November 09 16:06 UTC (UK) »

Can't be of any direct help - sorry - but have you tried posting on the Toronto board of rootsweb?

I also suggest you put the family name in the subject title - it will come up on searches better.

Josey
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IRELAND; Cavan, Cork: MURRAY, HOLLAND Meath: LYNCH Westmeath ALLEN, BRENNAN Dublin ALLEN, McGINTY, PENROSE Unknown: DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS
87th REGIMENT Royal Irish Fusiliers:MURRAY
ENGLAND; Marylebone HAYTER, TROUSDALE, TROWSDALE Cornwall HAMPTON, TREMELLING W Yorkshire CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD
CANADA; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE; Quebec [Montreal], Ontario ALLEN, O'DRISCOLL
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 November 09 16:15 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for your prompt reply. I am new to all of this and will try again.
Once again thanks
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 November 09 16:26 UTC (UK) »

Didn't notice your number of posts!! Welcome to rootschat - it is a great forum full of very helpful and knowledgable people.

I have a Nova Scotian great grandmother & have had amazing help from a message board called nsroots - there may be an equivalent one for Ontario. Try  g**gl*ing Ontario or Toronto roots. 

You could try www.canada411.ca for Neills & Joiners in Toronto - see if there are any still there [this relies on a few generations of productive males of course!!]. But often immigrants moved on after after a while. If I think of any other useful boards I'll let you know. 

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IRELAND; Cavan, Cork: MURRAY, HOLLAND Meath: LYNCH Westmeath ALLEN, BRENNAN Dublin ALLEN, McGINTY, PENROSE Unknown: DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS
87th REGIMENT Royal Irish Fusiliers:MURRAY
ENGLAND; Marylebone HAYTER, TROUSDALE, TROWSDALE Cornwall HAMPTON, TREMELLING W Yorkshire CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD
CANADA; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE; Quebec [Montreal], Ontario ALLEN, O'DRISCOLL
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 November 09 17:34 UTC (UK) »

http://www.stcatharines.library.on.ca/content/eres#ancestry
The St. Catharine's library has an online index for BMDs in the area but doesn't seem to have entered records past the 1920s yet.
You could contact the library and ask them to search for Abner in their city directories which might give you a clue as to when he died.  On Minnie's death registration in 1930 he is shown as the informant living at 46 Henry St. so it's a starting point for the library.

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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 November 09 18:18 UTC (UK) »

http://www.rootschat.com/links/07kx/
Probably William's wife and family arriving from Liverpool on the Empress of Ireland and disembarking Dec 4, 1908 at Saint John New Brunswick.  Louisa using her middle name of Marion?

The Toronto Library will do searches of their city directories.  You could track William and his children .  http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/  Use the "Ask a Librarian" feature.  They limit what they search per email but don't  limit the number of emails and requests.

If your relatives stayed in the Toronto area this pay site is excellent.  http://pagesofthepast.ca/

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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 November 09 19:44 UTC (UK) »

Can't be of any direct help - sorry - but have you tried posting on the Toronto board of rootsweb?


How about you let us here on this site give it a shot  Wink

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 November 09 19:46 UTC (UK) »

Looks like Louisa M. Neill, age 43 and Marion Neill, age 13 travelled back to England aboard the Empress of Ireland arriving in Liverpool, England on June 5, 1913 which left from Quebec, Canada.

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 November 09 19:54 UTC (UK) »

It was a short visit to England  Smiley

Louisa and Marion returned to Canada aboard the Laurentic on July 26, 1913 leaving Liverpool, England and arriving in Quebec.  They are headed to Toronto, Ontario and note that had been in Canada from 1907 to 1913.

Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #9 on: Monday 30 November 09 20:29 UTC (UK) »

Thank you all for your help. I will try the different sites you suggested. How did you get the information on Louisa and Marion going back home? It is wonderful to get that so quickly. If only I can find out what happened to them, I have tried the Latter Day Saints but to no avail.
I hope i get some success.
Many thanks
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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 04:35:09 »

Although you have it...I'll post the census for Abner Joiner, b. 1862 Ireland ,Papermaker in Mill
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=57990

His address in 1916 was 46 Henry Street, he's still a papermaker... written as Abnor Joiner
http://www.archive.org/stream/vernstcatharines00vernuoft/vernstcatharines00vernuoft_djvu.txt
Sorry it was the only directory I could find.

Here are a few for Toronto but for early, so won't do a lot of good, sorry...  Don't forget to look for obvious spellings..
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Might%20Directories%20Ltd.%22

welcome to rootschat...J.J.

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Re: Lost family Hit a brick wall Help please
« Reply #11 on: Today at 13:24:20 »

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=422771.new#new

Link to other thread on this family.

Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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