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Little Nell
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Re: adoption
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 February 06 20:32 UTC (UK) » |
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It was only from 1926 that formal or legal arrangements for adoption were made. Since then an adoption register has been kept which gives the new name of an adopted child, BUT there is no link back to the name with which the child was originally registered.
Adoptive parents usually gave their adopted baby a new name. It is only more recently that fewer babies have been available for adoption. The adopted child would be given their adoptive parents' surname. The certificate they would get would be the certificate from the adoption register, not their original birth certificate. The adoptive parents would not have this and probably would not know who the birth parents were.
Nowadays any adopted person is counselled before they are allowed to receive information about their birth parents. Back in the 1950s many mothers were not allowed to keep in touch once they had given the child up for adoption and it was made difficult for the child to trace them.
Does that answer your question?
Nell
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MaryA
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Re: adoption
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 09:36 UTC (UK) » |
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Little Nell you seem to be quite informed about this and so wondered if you were able to answer, and in my case it is only for curiosity value because I've seen posts in the past about adopted children looking for a birth certificate - would this be because they were registered maybe a couple of years later with their "new name" rather than near the date of their birth, and so a different time and register would have to be searched.
In other words if they search what they know is their birth, they wouldn't find it because they don't know what their name was.
Thanks
Mary
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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MaryA
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Re: adoption
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 February 06 14:55 UTC (UK) » |
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Thanks for your advice. I've seen people ask a question on this subject before and I've not been positive enough to be able to suggest that answer.
Mary
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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Little Nell
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Re: adoption
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 December 06 22:08 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Lisa,
Do you know if she was "adopted" at birth or soon after? There probably was no official adoption with the court order or an adoption certificate. Perhaps she was taken in by members of her extended family? It sometimes happened that way. The child could take the new family's name - and could revert back again if they wish! A great uncle of mine was apparently adopted by another family along the road (no known link yet) and took their surname. This was early 1900s. He married my great aunt using that surname and continued to use the name until he died. His children were all registered in that name, but his son has decided late in his life to revert back to his father's birth name. Very confusing!
Nell
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celia
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Re: adoption
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 09 December 06 19:45 UTC (UK) » |
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In the early 1950's mum was asked to look after a baby boy a few weeks old.While she went on Holiday,she never came back for him.Mum addopted him,he was told this when young we don't keep secrets like that in our house  .When he joined the Army he needed his birth certificate, he got both the original with his given surname and the second with his change of surname.
Celia
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Re: adoption
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 13 December 06 22:02 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi All,
Just to say that my Dad was adopted by an aunt in 1922. He was given his aunts married surname, and when he died in 1971 we found out about the adoption. My aunt had the original cert. with his biological parents name on it and hand written in the corner has his adopted surname. This is lucky for me doing our family tree as we wouldnt have found his biological family.
I also have a younger brother that has gone back to my fathers birth surname and doesnt use the adopted surname at all.
So now I have two different trees to work on, but on one side it comes back to the same people as his aunt and real father were brother and sister.
Regards
Anne.
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lisajk
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Re: adoption
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 14 December 06 08:21 UTC (UK) » |
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Thought you would like to know, I've now received her birth certificate which matches in every detail that I'm aware of (birth date, middle names etc.) with no mention of an adoption. So for whatever reason, despite being adopted, she kept and married under her birth name. She did go into domestic service at a very young age as I understand it. I wonder whether her adoptive parents were, in effect, actually foster carers? Did fostering exist back then, or was the whole system so informal that it couldn't be classified in the way we do today?
Lisa
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pennine
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Re: adoption
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 December 06 01:41 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi I adopted a son in 1972 and I was aware of his birth parents names and addresses and we received a certificate of adoption stating these facts.
We did rename him and he took our surname. He always knew he was adopted from a very young age so we have had no problems and he does not want to trace his birth parents. However I myself was adopted by a relative in 1959 at the age of 9 my original birth certificate was kept from me and I had to apply to a place in Portsmouth for it. I knew my father but not much about my mother as the family refused to tell me anything. Luckily I knew the details but I still had to see the social worker and do the counselling bit, a tad late as I had already traced my natural mother. The Counselling is no big deal, they just warn you that relatives might not want contact and you might upset their new lives etc if they have not told about you but that is all there is to it really and they will act as mediators if you are nervous about it. If you know the original name you will find it on the Free BMD on Ancestry, but it will not indicate that an adoption had taken place.
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MaryA
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Re: adoption
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 June 07 06:19 UTC (UK) » |
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I'm revisiting this thread, once again out of curiosity because I came across a a couple of entries in my own family which had me confused and it would seem that this is possibly a similar circumstance.
I won't be giving any names as I expect these people to be still living only born in 1959 and 1961, but on checking their births in the indexes I found that there was a number written additionally by the side of their entry. Four figures/S.
I am aware that when their parents divorced they took another name. I obviously know their mother's surname from the indexes - which was really what I was doing by looking for the children's births, but it might well be a stepfather's name they took.
Are these /S indexes just for change of names or are they Adoption Indexes ? Does anybody know if these /S indexes are available in Record Offices to view? Do Ancestry have them available and under what heading ?
Mary
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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seyshell
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Re: adoption
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 07 August 08 01:40 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi, I know this thread is very old, but hopefully somebody can help me.
My grandmother (who died in the 1980's) was adopted in 1931. My mum is trying to find details of her mother birth family. Is she entitled to request a birth certificate (she has the adoption certificate), from the UK GRO. When she applied for a birth certificate she was sent a copy of the adoption certificate.
If somebody can help us, I would be very appreciative.
Thanks in advance
Michelle
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