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B.E.
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My mother-in-law was born Gladys Snook and I'm trying to find some background on the Snook side of her family as she approaches her 80th birthday. Unfortunately, they're not world-famous at all - in fact they're a ruddy evasive bunch when it comes to censuses, etc!!
Her father was Walter Martell Snook (b.1887). He was a widower when he married Gladys Maude Green at South Stoneham 3/10/1925, but we haven't a clue who his first wife was. So, Q1: Does anyone know?
Walter Martell's father was, we think, Walter Charles Snook (b.1861) who lived with his old man (Henry Snook b.1824) in Bath Rd, Lymington at the time of the 1881 census. Q2: Can anyone help me verify that WC was indeed WM's father or know anything more about WC, such as the dates of his marriages (2, we think) and the names of his wives?
WM's marriage was witnessed by William Henry George Snook, of whom we know nothing. I can see his birth in 1890 and entry in the 1891 census, but I don't know his exact relationship with WM. My suspicion is that WM and WHG were staying with the Broomfields in Boldre on census night 1901, implyng that WHG went by the name Henry and was probably WM's younger brother. Q3: Can anyone suggest how I might verify this - or tell me what happened to WHG after 1925?
Q4: Anyone got anything more on this family?
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Hi B.E.
Not sure what you've got from the census records already, but thought I'd try and tie them in with the marriage records....
Snook, Walter Charles
Perkins, Annie
Q December 1884
Lymington
Hampshire
Vol 2b
Pg 1130
1891
23 Slabro? Street, Lymington
Walter Chas Snook, Head, 30, Yacht Steward, Hampshire Lymington
Annie Snook, Wife, 26, London Blackfriars
Annie Maud Snook, Daughter, 5, Hampshire Lymington
Walter Martell Snook, Son, 3, Hampshire Lymington
Wllm Hy Geo Snook, Son, 1, Hampshire Lymington
RG12/898 Folio 54 Pg 11
Snook, Annie
Deaths
Age 34
Q March 1899
Lymington
Hampshire
Vol 2b
Page 437
Snook, Walter Charles
Marriage to one of
Hillier, Mary Ann
Isaac, Bonnie Eliza
Woodcock, Fannie Amelia
Q December 1907
Southampton
Hampshire
Vol 2c
Page 68
Regards, Emma 
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In 1901, Walter Charles Snook was a 40 year old Widow staying in a hotel on Terminus? Terrace, Southampton. He was living on own means.
(RG13/1057 Pg 21)
1901
Dunsford, Boldre, Hampshire
James Broomfield, Head, 46, Gardener not Domestic, Hants Sway
Elizabeth Broomfield, Wife, 43, Hants Beaulieu
Walter Broomfield, Son, 20, Carpenter (House Builder), Boldre
Walter Snook, Cousin, 13, Lymington
Henry Snook, Cousin, 11, Lymington
RG13/1035 Pg 9
Regards, Emma
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1871
Bath Road, Lymington
Henry Snook, Head, W, 48, Ship Smith, Beaulieu
Elizabeth Snook, Daughter, 23?, Housekeeper, Beaulieu
Henry Geo Snook, Son, 19, Boatbuilder, Southampton
William Geo Snook, Son, 17, Mariner, Lymington
Edward Thos Snook, Son, 15, Mariner, Lymington
Ann A Snook, Daughter, 14, Servant, Lymington
Alfred Snook, Son, 12, Scholar, Lymington
Walter Chas Snook, Son, 10, Scholar, Lymington
Emily M Snook, Daughter, 7, Scholar, Lymington
Charlotte E Snook, Daughter, 11mths, Lymington
RG10/1173 Pg 20
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1861
Bath Road, Lymington
Henry Snook, Head, 37, Ship Smith, Beaulieu
Charlotte, Snook, Wife, 33, Southampton
Elizabeth A Snook, Daughter, 12, Scholar, Lymington
Henry G Snook, Son, 9, Scholar, Lymington
William G Snook, Son, 7, Scholar, Lymington
Edward T Snook, Son, 5, Scholar, Lymington
Ann A Snook, Daughter, 4, Scholar, Lymington
Alfred Snook, Son, 2, Lymington
Walter C Snook, Son, 3mths, Lymington
RG09/663 PG 19
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1851
Bridge Street, Lymington
Henry Snook, Head, 25, Blacksmith Journeyman, Beaulieu
Charlotte Snook, Wife, 22, Dressmaker, Southampton
Elizabeth Snook, Daughter, 2, Southampton
Charlotte Snook, Daughter, 1, Lymington
HO107/1666 Pg 17
Snook, Charlotte
Deaths
QDecember 1851
Lymington
Hampshire
Vol 8
Page 130
Snook, Charlotte
Deaths
Q March 1865
Lymington
Hampshire
Vol 2b
Page 437
Snook, Henry
Martill, Charlotte
Marriages
Q March 1848
Southampton
Hampshire
Vol 7
Pg 273
Regards, Emma
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1891
12 Naseby Road, Millbrook, Hampshire
Edward Snook, Head, 35, Ship's Steward, Lymington
Jane Snook, Wife, 42, Kent Lewisham
Anne Snook, Daughter, 7, Scholar, Southampton
James Golding, Wife's Son, 16, Lawyer's Clerk, Southampton
Henry Snook, Father, 68, W, Ship Smith (Retired), Beaulieu
RG12/928 Pg 20
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Hi B.E.,
Emma has done a lot of work there for you.
One extra thing, Elizabeth Broomfield was Elizabeth Jane Snook before her marriage in 1879 (Mar qtr Lymington 2b 769). Obviously a relation, but not sure whose sister she is!
Henry's wife Charlotte must have died sometime in 1870 or early 1871 unless he was married twice.
Can you confirm Walter's father's name and occupation from the marriage certificate?
Nell
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Emma and Nell,
Thanks very much for your replies - you've managed to confirm much of what I'd guessed and given me a whole lot more besides.
What I love about this is the speculation (well, mine, anyway!). So what really is the story of the Charlotte Snook who was born in 1870, 5 years after Henry's wife (Charlotte) died? If Henry really did remarry, I'd have thought it asking for trouble to name the new daughter after his first wife! Or was his second wife called Charlotte too? Or was the little girl not really a daughter but a dodgy granddaughter? Either way, there's no mention of a Mrs Henry Snook in the 1881 Census... Nor, for that matter, can I find Elizabeth Snook (b.1848) or Charlotte Snook (b.1870). Any thoughts?
The other interesting feature of the Henry Snook household in 1881 is the presence of William Thomas (son-in-law). I wonder to whom he was married, since none of the daughters have the same surname? To Elizabeth, maybe, who just happened to have popped down to the pub when the census man came round? Or who had died and he, for some reason, was continuing to live with his father-in-law? Can you see any marriages between Thomas and Snook in Lymington between 1871 and 1881?
There's a bit of mystery about that seafaring rogue Walter Charles Snook too. We knew he'd married twice, but conventional wisdom in the family is that the mother of Walter Martell was called Bessie Evans. Can you find any trace of an Elizabeth Evans sneaking into the family at any time?
And we'd really, really, like to discover more about Walter Martell's first wife (this is the official family skeleton in the cupboard, since he purportedly married Gladys Maude Green in 1925 without telling her he's been married previously - she found out when she saw "widower" on the certificate!) My mother-in-law has deep-seated suspicions about a lady called Ruth Hawkins. Any evidence you can find?
Finally, can you tell what happened to William Henry George Snook? He was clearly still alive in 1925, but my mother-in-law (b.1926) has no recollection of him whatsoever.
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian,
Looks at all the information carefully.
There is a Charlotte Snook daughter of Henry and Charlotte born in 1850 or so (see 1851 census info). However, she is not present in 1861.
There is a Charlotte Snook daughter of Henry & Charlotte Snook born 1870 or so (see 1871 census info). However she is not present in 1881. ( I note she was Charlotte Elizabeth. A Charlotte E Snook died in South Stoneham RD in 1902 aged 30. - ah, I see Emma has found that too.)
Charlotte Snook, wife of Henry, mother perhaps of both Charlottes?, must have died 1870 - 1871. (Alive when daughter born, dead by March/April 1871 when census taken).
The death index records of Charlotte Snook in 1851 and 1865 do not give an age. The one in 1851 could be the daughter born in 1850. It is not necessarily the mother. Also there are an awful lot of Snooks about in Hampshire! You cannot be sure unless you get the certificate
You are also quite correct - "daughter" Charlotte in 1871 could really be granddaughter. But that would be difficult if the enumerator knew the family.
There comes a point - and you are very close to it - when you have to obtain verification. Otherwise, you may find yourself creating a few myths and skeletons yourself!
Nell
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Have found this...just to add to the confusion! 
1891
1 Townell? Street, Widnes
Thos Wilkinson, Head, 24, ?? Labourer, Widnes
Martha Wilkinson, Wife, 23, Willaston Cheshire
Louis Thomas, Boarder, 25, M, France
Charlotte Thomas, Boarder, 20, M, Lymington Hants
RG12/3011 Pg52
Thomas, Louis
Snook, Charlotte
Marriage
Q Sept 1890
Llanelly
Carmarthenshire Glamorgan
Vol 11a
Page 13
Which conflicts with Charlotte Snook dying in 1902...unless she changed her name back again? Or there's more than one.... 
Regards, Emma
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