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Hawkshaw
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My Grandad, John Corbett was born in or around Mitchelstown in about 1903/4.
He had a brother Michael and two sisters that I know of.
Does anyone know of the family please? My Grandad moved to England in the 1920s.
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Hawkshaw
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Hello Pete,
They could well be my ancestors - thank you so much for replying. I'll check with my Uncle to see if any of those names are Grandad's brothers and sisters and get back to you asap. Many thanks again,
Ann Blackburn (nee Corbett).
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shanew147
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this looks like it could be the family on the 1911 census :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06xk/
Shane
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Hawkshaw
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I've just contacted my Uncle - your line isn't my one, Pete, but I have just found my line through the 1911 Census records, the link to which you kindly posted, Shane. This is it, with my Grandad, John, there:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilphelan/Flemingstown/438633/
What a breakthrough!
Pete - could your line be cousins of mine?
Ann.
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kob3203
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Hi Ann,
Shane's original link is my Corbetts:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mitchelstown/Ballykearney/439527/
I was keeping my fingers crossed that your John was here too. It's a pity he's not, but it's great that you've managed to find the right John Corbett anyway!
Regarding a possible link - A search for Corbetts in the National Archives of Ireland website's 1911 Census shows 266 in the whole of Co.Cork, 32 in the Mitchelstown DED, and only 9 (all of whom are your Corbetts) in the Kilphelan DED.
- Ballykearney's about half-way between Mitchelstown and Flemingstown.
- Your GGF Patrick's 42 and my GGF Michael's 50.
- Both families are RC.
So it's definitely possible (but by no means certain) that Patrick and Michael were brothers.
I know (from Michael and Bridget's marriage record) that my GGF's father was also called Michael.
So if you find Patrick and Ellen's marriage record... ?
From my experience online records for Mitchelstown are few and far between. Unless anybody has other ideas, I'd suggest the IFHF's Cork (NorthEast) site, run by the Mallow Heritage Centre:
http://corknortheast.brsgenealogy.com/index.php
Unfortunately it's pay-per-view (although with a bit of patience the free search can yield interesting leads). Check the "Sources" link on that page first so you know what records you're searching!
Cheers,
Pete
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Browne: Mallow, Co. Cork (1895-1935) + Cahir, Co. Tipperary (1860-1895) Purtell: Cahir (1860-1895) Fanning: Cashel (to1886)
Corbett: Mitchelstown, Co. Cork (1860-1935) Sweeney: Mitchelstown (1860-1935)
Griffiths: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire (1837-1934) Reynolds: Llanelly (1837-1901)
Williams: Llanelly (1837-1934) Lewis: Ton Pentre, Glamorganshire (1837-1901)
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kob3203
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Hi Ann,
I've had a quick check on the IFHF MHC site that I mentioned (only using the free search).
The 1901 census shows five Corbetts living in the Kilphelan DED
- two adults aged between 26 and 34 named Ellen and Patrick.
- three children aged between 0 and 8, named Ellen, Margaret and Michael.
No sign of a Patrick Corbett marriage record between 1883 and 1897.
There's also a couple of RC baptism records from the Glanworth RC parish:
- Michael Corbett baptism 1898
- Margaret Corbett baptism 1896
- Ellen Corbett baptism 1894
Glanworth is SW of Mitchelstown, here's a GoogleMaps link:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=glanworth&sll=52.132698,-8.280001&sspn=0.006217,0.019119&ie=UTF8&ll=52.186931,-8.358536&spn=0.198699,0.611801&z=11
Hope this helps,
Pete
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Researching Welsh and Irish family history from SE Asia...
Browne: Mallow, Co. Cork (1895-1935) + Cahir, Co. Tipperary (1860-1895) Purtell: Cahir (1860-1895) Fanning: Cashel (to1886)
Corbett: Mitchelstown, Co. Cork (1860-1935) Sweeney: Mitchelstown (1860-1935)
Griffiths: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire (1837-1934) Reynolds: Llanelly (1837-1901)
Williams: Llanelly (1837-1934) Lewis: Ton Pentre, Glamorganshire (1837-1901)
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Hawkshaw
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Thanks so much, Pete.
Yes, I couldn't find the marriage record either, and that is the key to finding out who Patrick's father is, isn't it?
Those records that you listed must be my people, as the dates fit so well.
What would be the next step in trying to find a marriage record, Pete? Did you find your Great Grandparents' marriage record from that site?
I might be able to get over to Co. Cork again in October and I could visit any records offices if necessary.
By the way, my Uncle spent some time at the homestead (which must have been Flemingstown) during the 2nd World War (he was born in London,as was my father). He said that his Grandmother (Ellen) was very strict indeed. His Grandfather (Patrick) had died by that time.
My Grandad (John) was a freedom fighter in Ireland and also ended up fighting in the 2nd World War, as he had moved to England by that stage. He had medals for both!
Are you based in Ireland or England? I am in Norwich but am always going over to Ireland to visit my mother.
Thanks again,
Ann.
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Hawkshaw
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There is a baptism record for Patrick Corbett in each of 1868, 1869 and 1870. Any one of those could be my Great Grandfather. Hmmmm.....
Only the 1868 is for Glanworth though, I think that is worth a punt!
Ann.
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kob3203
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Hi Ann,
I don't think the 1901 census transcription will tell you anything new, but I'd agree - 99% certain it's your family (I'm NEVER 100% certain!  ). Maybe when you're in Ireland you could look at the original if you're near the National Archives of Ireland - Dublin I think?
A marriage record would definitely be the easiest way to find Patrick's fathers name, but the 1868 baptism record you mention could just strike gold, considering the scarcity of Corbetts in Glanworth! And if the father turns out to be Michael then the chance of a connection is stronger. There were 4 other Corbett baptisms in Glanworth RC between 1860 and 1868 - Michael (1860), Michael (1861), Johanna (1863) and William (1865). The Michael Corbett on my 1911 census was aged 50...
You know that Patrick and Ellen were married in 1892/3 (from the 1911 census). Since Ellen (the eldest living child) was baptised in 1894 I think it's most likely that they were married in the same place, i.e. Glanworth RC parish. Maybe the Glanworth marriage register simply isn't online, or doesnt cover 1892/3? IFHF MHC should be correcting their Sources page soon - it doesn't currently list Glanworth RC parish!
On a whim I did a check for Patrick Corbett marriages in 1892/3 on the main IFHF site (all Ireland). It gives two possibilities - 1892 Co. Limerick, 1893 Co. Tipperary. As I said, I think these are unlikely, unless you know of a connection?
I was very lucky - I found marriage records for both sets of Irish grandparents at the IFHF online sites. If you're near Mallow then the Mallow Heritage Centre, which handles IFHF records for Co Cork NE, is based there so they may be worth a visit (never been there myself). They may give you some leads.
I'm actually in SE Asia! That's why I tend to do all my research on the internet, although I get back to England occasionally.
Cheers,
Pete
P.S. The 1911 census showed 10 children born alive, only 7 still living (all listed at that address). I rechecked, and there's two more Corbetts baptised in Glanworth RC parish between 1892 and 1911 - Michael (b1895) and Margaret (b1894). So they may be 2 of the 3 who died? Can't find a third though.
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Researching Welsh and Irish family history from SE Asia...
Browne: Mallow, Co. Cork (1895-1935) + Cahir, Co. Tipperary (1860-1895) Purtell: Cahir (1860-1895) Fanning: Cashel (to1886)
Corbett: Mitchelstown, Co. Cork (1860-1935) Sweeney: Mitchelstown (1860-1935)
Griffiths: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire (1837-1934) Reynolds: Llanelly (1837-1901)
Williams: Llanelly (1837-1934) Lewis: Ton Pentre, Glamorganshire (1837-1901)
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kob3203
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Good call Hugo, I wasn't aware of that site.
I've had a quick look. The results give the equivalent of the information in the UK GRO indexes, correct? (i.e. for all BMD records - year, quarter, surname, given name(s), volume, page; plus for death records - age, estimated birth year; plus for birth records - mother's surnames)
I assume that due to the 1922 fires, most (all?) of the original BMD certificates were destroyed. So the reference in the Irish Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958 is as far as we can go?
Thanks again,
Pete
P.S. Unfortunately their search facility still needs a bit of work (not surprising, as the site is still only a beta-test / pilot).
E.g. a search for surname "Corbett", place "Mitchelstown, Cork, Ireland" gives zero results. But taking out the "Mitchelstown" gives nearly 2000 including many civil marriage/death records for "Mitchelstown Registration District (Cork or Limerick, Ireland)".
I've already mentioned this to them under feedback.
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Researching Welsh and Irish family history from SE Asia...
Browne: Mallow, Co. Cork (1895-1935) + Cahir, Co. Tipperary (1860-1895) Purtell: Cahir (1860-1895) Fanning: Cashel (to1886)
Corbett: Mitchelstown, Co. Cork (1860-1935) Sweeney: Mitchelstown (1860-1935)
Griffiths: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire (1837-1934) Reynolds: Llanelly (1837-1901)
Williams: Llanelly (1837-1934) Lewis: Ton Pentre, Glamorganshire (1837-1901)
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