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Topic: Frederic Martidale 1881 (Read 135 times)
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bobtonks
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Frederick Sydney Martindale was born Sept 1875 East Ward.
In 1891 he lived with his parents.
Rg12 Piece 4323 Folio 42 Page 10
Battleburrow Bondgate Appleby
John Hayes Martindale Head 36 Plumber Appleby
Annie Martindale Wife 36 Cumberland (can't make out the town name)
Fred S Martindale Son 15 Plumbers Apprentice Bondgate
Alice Martindale Dau 11 Bondgate
Ellen Martindale Dau 9 Bondgate
Fletcher Martindale Son 7 Bondgate
Can anyone see him in 1881?
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sillgen
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Hi
I think the wife's place of birth was Penrith - that's what it looks like. It is in Cumberland but is close to Appleby. I have not yet found them in 1881 but in 1871 John was with his parents RG10 5269 F56 p15.
In "Appleby at Work, a Historic Directory" there is an entry "MARTINDALE (John) Painter, Photographer (John Hayes) Trading as:"
Looking under Painter gives
John Martindale, Bongate 1873-85
Market Pl 1884
Photographer gives
John Martindale, Battlebarrow 1858
The dates show which directory they appeared in.
Hope this helps.
I am frequently on holiday in that area if you need photos of houses etc.
Andrea
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rosemaryag
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi
I would agree with Annie's place of birth being Penrith 
Also, in short, I've failed to find Frederick b1875 in the 1881 Census. 
The long version  is:
1881 RG11/5198 folio63 p35 Appleby
Fred's father John H Martindale with wife Annie & daus Alice J & Elizabeth A; no Frederick
1881 RG11/5198 folio51 p11 Appleby
John's father John H Martindale with wife Mary & children Hannah, Anne, Florence, William & 3 visitors; no sign of Frederick staying with grandparents
1881 - no other Martindales obvious in Appleby by searching, though I haven't browsed every image
1881 - tried a good range of variations for searching on first name only/last name only/wild cards, but no Fred spotted!
I also checked out Annie Martindale's birth family....
I found a Westmorland marriage for John H Martindale to Annie Williamson Q1 1875 East Ward vol 10b p881
.... so looked for Williamsons of Penrith. I found a likely family in 1861 & 1871, but cannot find them in 1881   
Sorry I couldn't help more - if you don't have details for some of the census stuff given above, I would be happy to supply it 
cheers
Rosemary
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEssex: Allison/Alliston, Claydon, Lambert, Pettican Hampshire: Boddy, Webb, Yatman London & adjacent: Boddy, Cormack, Nevill, Shephard, Westerman Suffolk: Adams, Birt, Pooley, Smythe (Stanton & Badingham), Ward, Wham Sussex: Grinsted, Pooley Warwickshire: Shephard |
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bobtonks
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Rosemary
Thanks for the info on the marriage of John H. And yes, details of the Williamsons in 1861 and 1871 would be useful.
Thanks again for all your help.
Bob
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rosemaryag
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Glad to help
1861 RG9/3899 folio59 p24 Penrith Temperance Hotel
John Williamson, head, M, 32, Boarding House, Westmorland Appleby
Ann, wife, M, 33, Lancaster
Mary A, dau, 9, scholar, Penrith
Anna, dau, 7, scholar, Penrith
Richard H, son, 5, scholar, Penrith
John Walton, boarder, Un, 20, chemist apn, Westmorland Alston
George Black, lodger, Un, 20, builder, Penrith
James A ?Sendall, lodger, Un, 25, coach builder, Norfolk Dereham
Daniel Ramsay, lodger, Un, 22, coach builder, Scotland
1871 RG10/5200 folio25 p10 Penrith, Castlegate
John Williamson, head, Mar, 45, Temperance Hotel Keeper and Mail Contractor, Westmorland Apppleby
Ann, wife, Mar, 46, Lancaster
Mary Jane, dau, Unm, 18, Assistant in shop (Grocer), Cumberland Penrith
Ann, dau, Unm, 16, Dressmaker, Cumberland Penrith
Richard Hawkin, son, Unm, 14, scholar, Cumberland Penrith
Thomas Stephenson, boarder, Widower, 71, none, Cumberland Penrith
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEssex: Allison/Alliston, Claydon, Lambert, Pettican Hampshire: Boddy, Webb, Yatman London & adjacent: Boddy, Cormack, Nevill, Shephard, Westerman Suffolk: Adams, Birt, Pooley, Smythe (Stanton & Badingham), Ward, Wham Sussex: Grinsted, Pooley Warwickshire: Shephard |
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