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Wing
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This is my first time so please bear with me. Several queries here. Great Grandfather, Albert Chandler b;1869,Bedford to William Chandler/Sarah Carter.baptized 7 2 1869, Holy Trinity. Fruitere in St Loyes/Dane St. 1901 census living with 22 yr old wife, Louise (unknown surname) b:c 1879, Morges, Switzerland. I cant find any record of their marriage anywhere. There is a record for an Albert Chandler marrying a Louisa Forney in Bedford but this is a different Chandler family. Louise is listed on her husbands gravestone as Louise, not Louisa but family memory has her as a Louisa, which I doubt.
I know they had one child at least, an Edward Albert, but there is disagreement as to the names of others, and also numbers.
Albert died,2.9.1923 according to his headstone. His wife,Louise/a, died in the early 1960's, probably in the Ampthill area as i have been told she was resident at a home in Steppingly at the time. The home still exists but wont divulge any info as they say it is lost or locked away.
Any help with any of the above would be greatly appreciated, especially Louise's Maiden name, her fathers name, when she arrived in England, Albert and her children's names. Sorry the list is so long. I have been trying to find out this information for over a year now to no avail. Thanks for your patience. Ian
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PaulineJ
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I think your query may be clearer if you just gave the census records, For example, You don't say whether they had kids in 1901.
Buying the birth cert of Edward Albert Chandle will give a mother's maiden name.
Pauline
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Arranroots
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Alternatively
(I can't quite believe this!)
I tried the search of Ancestry's free BMD - chose 1962 at random and found
Death
Louise CHANDLER aged 81
Mar quarter 1962
Ampthill
Vol 4a Page 10
This cert should also give you her maiden name.
kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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janan
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Hi Ian
Welcome to Rootschat 
I've looked at the record for 1901 and notice they have 2 children
Alice 1 and Alfred 2months - you don't mention these children does that mean you haven't got the full record for 1901? If so do you want it?
As you haven't been able to locate a marriage record, I agree with Pauline that you need to order a birth certificate for Edward Albert to find Louise,s maiden-name. There are several possibilities for Louise in 1891 but you don't know for sure she was in England by then. I suppose it is even possible they married in Switzerland.
Do you have Albert on earlier censuses? I can look for him if you need him.
Cheers Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Hi Ian
Double oops - everyone was quicker than me!!!
Welcome to Rootschat
If you are sure that the 1901 census which lists Albert age 34 with wife Louise 22 is yours then what makes you say the marriage in 1899 of Albert and Louisa Forney isn't yours?
In 1901 they had two children Alice 1 and Alfred 2 months, which is totally consistent with a marriage in the Sept quarter 1899.
There are no other Albert Chandlers born Bedford in the 1901 census (or any other census from 1871 onwards)
Albert in 1901 can be traced back via censuses - age 23 fish and fruit dealer in 1891; 13 in 1881, 3 son of William and Sarah in 1871.
Do you have the 1899 marriage cert as that will give Louisa's father's name?
Most of what you are requesting can be gleaned from the GRO indexes which are now available free at www.ancestry.co.uk (click on England & Wales BMD index - Beta). It won't give the parents names of any Chandler children, for which you'd need the certificate.
As Pauline says, if you get the birth cert of the Edward Albert which is the name you are sure of, you will get the mother's maiden name (which I am confident will be Forney or Fournier or something similar!). There's an Edward Albert birth in Bedford in Dec 1902 which might be him.
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David
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Hi again Ian
I was just going to say - how do you know the marriage to Louise Forney is the wrong Albert and about census details etc etc but David beat me to it
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Wing
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Blimey, you lot don't hang around, do you! Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions.
The reason why I don't think that the Albert/Louisa Forney is not mine is because that Albert came from Pitstone in Bucks and was born in 1875 and also that Louisa Forney was listed as being born in Stockwill? London , in 1875. This would make their ages wrong to my records. Also the spelling of Louisa would be wrong as I am sure that when she had her Husbands headstone carved she wouldn't have allowed the wrong spelling of her name, Louise, as it is listed in the 1901 census.
I was going to apply for the marriage cert after I was sure of her maiden name else I could have ended up with the wrong one. I must admit I didn't know that the Mothers maiden name is listed on birth certs so now I will apply for Edwards cert.
I do have all the census entries for my Albert thanks. Again, thanks for all your help and advice. What a great site this is.
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Hi Ian
Where did your information about Albert being born in Bucks and Louisa in Stockwell come from? The marriage cert normally only shows residence at time of marriage, not birthplace. It would also show Albert's occupation - as he was a Fish and fruit dealer in both 1891 and 1901 hopefully he hadn't changed at the time of his marriage somewhere between those two dates.
I wouldn't wouldn't worry too much about the Louise/Louisa business. An English person today would pronounce Louise as Loo eez, whereas a Swiss would put more stress on the final e making it sound halfway to Louisa. The registrar/enumerator would write down what he thought he heard.
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David
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Hi again. The info relating to Albert/Louisa wedding came from World Tree on Ancestry. This puts this Albert(not mine) into Bucks.
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Hey there is one heck of an echo in here! 
Might I humbly suggest the death cert route, as you know this is her?
As to the censuses - seems mightily coincidental if it is not them! Just my opinion!
kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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Is Louisa Swiss? Innocent question - her parents might not have been despite her being born in Switzerland.
I just thought FORNEY sounded more Swiss!
What does our "foreign correspondent" think, Tati?
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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Louise/a FORNEY on the 1891 census has a father Charles, b Switzerland.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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