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tulstig
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We are trying to get info from some wills of ancestors in Sussex fr0om the 1600s but appear to be getting the run-around. We were originally referred from Winchester to York, who have referred us to London. 
If anyone can tell us the best way to go about it all help gratefully received. 
On ancestry the wills are listed as preserved in:
Probate registry at Winchester &
District probate registry at Lewes.
How do we get at them? 
Thanks all,
Mark
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TULLETT (sussex), LEE(Kent), DALE(Sussex), ANDREWS (who knows?), LINDFIELD/LINFIELD(Sussex), LANDER (Cornwall), BLENCOWE (Sussex) GROUT (Surrey) All census information: Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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behindthefrogs
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If the will was for property entirely within the diocese then Winchester was probably the correct place to start. However some parishes in those days belonged to strange diocese which may account for the reference to York, but that sounds like an error.
The final resort is Canterbury (actually London). The good news is that they are all available on-line. Free index and £3.50 for a down load from the National Archives. Always start there just in case.
From 1600 they will be in handwriting you will find very difficult to read and probably in Latin but its worth trying one to see how you get on. The fact that they commit their body etc to god, first helps you work out a lot of the words.
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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tulstig
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Hi Behind the frogs,
Thanks for the info.
I've tried the 'documents online' site but the wills I'm after don't come up on there. Am I doing something wrong. The info given by 'Ancestry' for one of them is:
Sussex: - Calendar of Administrations in the Consistory court of the Bishop of Chichester 1555-1800, Calendar of Wills and Administrations in the Peculiar court of the Archbishop of Canterbury 1520-1670, Calendar of Wills and Administrations in the Peculi
Register 3.
Administrations in the Consistory Court at Chichester 1555-1800
Now Preserved in the Probate Registry at Winchester.
County: Sussex
Country: England
Dale, Ralph, Warnham I 82, 83 1669
Any thoughts?
Mark
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tulstig
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Thanks Andrea,
NEw to finding wills so excuse my simple questions - but what is the FRC?
I hope I can get my hands on this one, especially as we've found about 6 others for various family members, all with similar notations about wher ethey are preserved.
Thanks,
Mark
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The FRC is the Family records Centre, in Myddleton Street, islington, London.
It is where the index books for Births Marriages and deaths sre held (that you see scans of on Ancestry and 1837online) It also houses all censuses, and hosts of other stuff, and is well worth visiting. It is free.
There is an index of wills there, I cant remember the date range. But no wills are held there. A complete index (also in book form, year by year) of Wills and |Letters os administrations, plus the opportunity to actually see the documents, is at the probate office in Holborn. Again I cant remember the dates, I'm not sure it goes back to 1600 there.
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tulstig
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Hi Lizdb,
Yes realised as soon as I'd posted what FRC stood for, but didn't know where it was or what it held. Thanks for the info. Looks like my next visit to the Uk is going to be jam-packed wit hancestor hunting!! Need to conscript a couple more 'cousins'
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Mark
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behindthefrogs
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Let me go into a bit more detail. The FRC holds post 1858 wills. We are not talking about these. I am not sure what if any other indexes they hold.
The will which you quote if it wasn't in Winchester and not in the documents on-line index will actually be in the Canterbury Cathedral Archives.
This is very complicated. A peculiar which belonged to the Archbishop of Canterbury actually reported to Canterbury Cathedral. You need to next contact the Canterbury Cathedral Archives and give the exact details that you have.
The confusion arises in the heirarchy of administration of the Church of England where everything eventually reports to the Archbishop of Canterbury in his role from Lambeth Palace in London. Wills administered at this level are in the National Archives and listed in documents online.
A peculiar is effectively in the diocese to which it reports. The rules are:
Is everything in the diocese - look for the diocese archive.
Is everything in the north of England? look at York
Otherwise look in the national archives.
This is complicated a bit more when diocese are split and the split may have its own records
There are books written on this subject
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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tulstig
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Aaaaargh, 
Looks like I could be on these quite awhile then, even before I find them.
Definitely conscripting some cousins 'at home'
Thanks for ' clarifying' this for me.
Mark
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Mark,
What is the name you are looking for?
Both West Sussex and East Sussex record offices have much of their catalogues online at:
http://www.a2a.org.uk
I have found that Sussex are very good at giving an excellent summary of the content of the documents including wills.
Also Hampshire Record Office (which holds the diocesan records for Winchester) have an online searchable database:
http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm
Are the wills for Sussex people pre 1858? Lewes hold the probate records for the Archdeaconry of Lewes. Photocopies can be ordered but it could be expensive (80p per page last time I got some stuff)
Nell
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tulstig
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HI Nell,
Thanks for the info
According to Ancestry the wills available are for :
Dale, Ralph, Warnham, I 82, 83 1669
Dale, Ann, Seddlescombe, wid 20 Jun 1631.
Dale, Walsingham, widow, Horsham M 36 1702
Dale, John salehurst,weaver 08 Jun 1916, 18 Oct 1615 59-84
Dale, Richard, Seddlescombe, Butcher: 25 Feb 1626, 12 Apr 1627 10 - 296
I've checked on a2a.org but couldn't find anything. More than likely I'm doing something wrong. I couldn't understand either why they would be at winchester?
Cheers,
Mark
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This is very odd - I can't find them either.
The first date in this listing is likely to be the date of death and the second is the date the will was proved.
It is possible that these catalogues have not yet made it online. It may be worth contacting both East and West Sussex offices (the wills are split between the two by the looks of it) and asking them if they have them.
West Sussex
http://www.westsussex.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/libraries-and-archives/
e-mail: : records.office[at]westsussex.gov.uk
East Sussex
http://www.eastsussex.gov.uk/useourarchives
e-mail: archives[at]eastsussex.gov.uk
Good luck - and I wish I could have helped more.
Nell
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The reason you are trouble is that you are dealing with parishes which are "peculiars". This means that in the past they belonged to a different bishop. It was all about who had their cut of the tythes. I am not sure about my thought on Canterbury Cathedral Archives and do agree that you should try East and West Sussex record offices.
If we take Horsham as an example. It was a peculiar of the deaneries of Pasham and Tarring and I can't find out where they reported. The will you quoted was in the Deanery of Chichester which seems to have reported to Winchester, but had its own court.
Sussex is a messy county with most of its 250 parishes split half and half betwen the two record offices, but there were about 25 peculiars which can be anywhere.
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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