muhkau
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Will anyone be going to thr Records Office? Please let me know, because I would appreciate a "simple" (birth record) lookup.
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Karl
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CaroleW
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Hi
If the birth was after 1837 - the FULL BMD index is now available to search free of charge at www.ancestry.co.uk. You will find it described as England & Wales, BMD Index (Beta)
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muhkau
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Thanks, I was aware of that, however I am trying to find the individual's parents.
I have found the mother but not the father, as he has never been on the Census details. I have also been unable to find a marriage certificate.
The mother is Sarah George, born in Wigmore in 1815 and she appears to have kept her maiden name. One of he sons is Edward George born in Wigmore in June 1840.
Any ideas?
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Puffcat
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If Sarah married then her husbands name will be on the birth certificate for Edward.
This is obtainable from Leominster Register Office
The Old Priory
Leominster
Herefordshire
HR6 8BQ cost £7
But I think it unlikely she was married as there are 5 sons born to a Sarah George baptised in Wigmore without mention on any of them of a father.
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muhkau
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Thank you for your efforts!
Would there be any reason for a father's name not to appear on a Birth certificate, or was it required by law?
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It was required by law, and Registrars were strict about it and also that the father was correct. No hiding the truth from these fearsome [invarably] men in those early days ! 
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muhkau
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...........hmmm. interesting!
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muhkau
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It must be very frustrating! I have ordered 2 Birth certificates, hoping that this might reveal something!!
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It means not married to father.
Even if married to someone if they were not the actual father it did not go down. Don't forget in most case Registrars were local and knew all these things.................
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Usually the parish registers will note mother as "single woman" when father is not named at child's baptism. I've even seen "bastard son/daughter of...." written in a register Vicars/Registrars didn't mince their words and as EBN says they were all seeing, didn't miss a trick, if a child was born out of wedlock it didn't go unnoticed 
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In a Worcestershire Parish Register the vicar put after the child's name, "Bastard, unlawfully begot on the body of...."
After all Vicars had the Poor Rate to consider and naming the putative father in the Parish Registers was a way to getting him to contribute to the child's upkeep so it did ot become a burden on the Vestry.
One father paid for his illegitimate child to be apprenticed miles from the village away at aged 8 to a needlemaker in a town.
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sorry I meant to add "... by John Smith" or who ever the father was.
Name and shame.
On the other hand I always wondered if the mothers who gave their babies a second name like Smith or Jones was naming the father in a roundabout way by their own volition, or was the Vicar or Churchwarden putting pressure on them.
Churchwardens with the Parish Rate in mind would go and question pregnant women or new single mothers, and in one Vestry Minutes I saw it said " even in the worst of her labour pains she refused to reveal to the Churchwardens who the father may be"....
They were pressuring her while she was in labour to name the father
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Interesting, because my unnamed 'father' was living in the house with the named mother and had the same name as her son
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Alfred JONES head
Alfred Jones HULL, son
Lizzie HULL, housekeeper
The head and housekeeper never married to the day that they died and another son was born to Lizzie Hull, who was also given the 'Jones' middle name, who also had no father's name on the birth registration.
This was at the beginning of the 1900's, so I wonder what social pressure was on Lizzie Hull at that time? It was a moderately-sized town. I think pressure has only been relieved in the last 40 years or so, would you agree?
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EBN,
I remember on another thread somewhere, an illigitimate child was given a middle name which turned out to be the actual father's surname. Will have to watch out for those!
How brave that woman was not to name the man who put her through all the pain of childbirth
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