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brolga
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I am seeking details of James Robison & Agnes (née Barclay) who were married in 1854 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
Does anyone know when or where James was born?
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brolga
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Perhaps, but I don't think so Audrey.
The James I seek is shown in shipping records as born about 1823.
James & Agnes migrated to Australia in 1863.
And, no, JA.
The Agnes I seek was born 1827 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
The James from Crossmichael would seem to be too young.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Brolga
I think I've pieced together some of the info from a variety of sources. Firstly, Agnes Barclay:
From IGI, I think this might be her family:
Her father was John Barkley who was born on 11 June 1782 in Kirkpatrick Durham, parents not shown although it appears to be extract from OPR. He married Janet McGeorge on 1 Sept 1810 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
The children showing for them on IGI include:
KATHERINE BARKLEY - 05 AUG 1811
HELEN BARKLEY - 22 JAN 1815
MARGARET PATTERSON BARKLEY - 8 AUG 1819
AGNESS SEATON BARKLEY - 15 FEB 1828
MARY BARKLEY - 18 MAY 1822
They all show as born in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright.
From the 1851 Dumgal census, this is Agnes I believe living at home:
BERKLEY Janet, age 62, widow, Innkeeper, born Parton, Kbt
BERKLEY Thomas, age 25, son, carrier/carter general
BERKLEY Agnes, age 22, daughter, Assistant to mother (domestic duties)
BERKLEY William, age 19, son, carrier/carter general
Also at the household is:
ROBISON Hugh, age 14, grandson, scholar/errand boy
Everyone with the exception of Janet is showing as born in Kirkpatrick Durham. Address is Cross Street(874) Household no: 6/101
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Now in respect of James Robison, I think he might be older than you think. I can't see anything relevant at this stage for his birth on IGI. There is however an entry in the 1851 census that could be him. A visitor at the household of a
David Middleton in Hartburn Cottage(871) is shown as a James Robison, an agricultural labourer, aged 33 born Kirkpatrick Durham. This is the only James Robison with that birthplace showing.
If this is the correct James, his birth year would be closer to 1817/8.
Couldn't resist it, had a look on Scotlands People for their 1861 census return just prior to them leaving the country.
James is showing as aged 40, grocer, birth year now around 1820/1. Agnes is staying true to her age and is showing as age 33 and three children on the census:
John, age 5
Isabella, age 3 (IGI: 6 Jan 1857)
Thomas, age 1 (IGI: 4 June 1859)
One more child is showing on IGI born just after the 1861 census, Hugh, born 25 July 1861.
Now, speculation on my part! If they followed Scottish naming patterns, John would be after Agnes's father, Isabella and Thomas should be James's parents' names. Janet may have followed after they migrated to Australia (unless they had a child that died earlier on).
There is a Thomas and Isabella Robison showing in 1851 Census:
ROBISON Thomas, age 83, Annuitant (retired farmer), born Irongray Kbt
ROBISON Isabella, age 74, wife, born Kirkpatrick Dur
Address: Cross Street(874)
Household No: 6/117
The address for Thomas and Isabella would appear to be the same street as
Agnes and her family in 1851.
Hope this helps!
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Brolga
If we have the right family for Agnes Barclay, mother Janet McGeorge, you might be interested in reading this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3666.msg689357#msg689357
regarding McGeorge research.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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brolga
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Yes, that is the correct Agnes Barclay/Barkley, grand-daughter of McGeorges.
Not only Agnes and, apparently Katherine, but, I believe, a brother Walter also emmigrated to Australia.
Monica, you have a plausible suggestion about James Robison.
I didn't know the Scottish naming conventions.
Thank you everyone.
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MonicaLesl
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Re Scottish naming traditions for children, not always followed to the letter, but a good guide:
For sons:
1st son after paternal grandfather
2nd son after maternal grandfather
3rd son after Father
4th son after the father's eldest brother.
For daughters:
1st daughter after maternal grandmother
2nd daughter after paternal grandmother
3rd daughter after mother
4th daughter after the mother's eldest sister.
Also, if you're lucky (!), the use of family surnames as middle names for children can also help you determine family lines.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gday Brolga,
Just catching up with James and Agnes story, brought to my attention by Lindamax.I am related through the Barkley,s.I live quite near where Agnes was tragically burnt to death on the 7th of January 1880 at a place known as Crossenvale in Echuca,Victoria,Australia.Crossenvale is named after Dr Crossen who attended Agnes during her shocking ordeal.
Regards Alpal
Yes, that is the correct Agnes Barclay/Barkley, grand-daughter of McGeorges.
Not only Agnes and, apparently Katherine, but, I believe, a brother Walter also emmigrated to Australia.
Monica, you have a plausible suggestion about James Robison.
I didn't know the Scottish naming conventions.
Thank you everyone.
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Barkley/Barclay/Sloan/Curtis/McKellar/McLachlan
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MonicaLesl
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I'm back on the trail of James Robison! A bit more detail thanks to the additional info from Linda. Again, from IGI and Scotlands People OPRs:
ISABEL HAIR Marriages: THOMAS ROBSON 13 JUN 1805 Terregles, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Apart from James, we now have four older children to Thomas and Isabella:
1. HUGH ROBSON born 20 June 1806 in Terregles, probably first born
2. ELISABETH ROBSON Christening: 08 FEB 1808 Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBSON
3. JOHN ROBSON born 28 Dec 1809 Parton, Kirkcudbright, Father Thomas Robson
4. MARY MELVILLE ROBSON Christening: 09 APR 1812 Parton, Kirkcudbright,
Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBSON
Now, Hugh we know from Linda died in 1835. Elizabeth also seems to have died young nealy two months later that year.
John, we know married Helen Barkley and had at least one son Hugh b. circa 1835/6 who went to live with his maternal grandparents. I wonder if Helen also died at this time? I have found I think a second marriage for John in 1839. I've also found the family in 1851 census with the oldest son called Thomas and John Robison's birth place is shown as Parton.
JOHN ROBSON Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBSON
Marriages: Spouse: AGNES CARSON 15 FEB 1839 Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland (source IGI)
1851 Census:
ROBISON Agnes, Age 35, wife, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Elizabeth, age 3, daughter, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Grace, age 6, daughter, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Jean, age I month, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON John, age 41, Farm Servant, b. Parton Kbt
ROBISON Robert, age 9, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Thomas, age 11, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
Regards.
Monica
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jwb46
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I am not sure if you are interested but I have been tracing the Barclay (Berkley,Barkley,Barkly etc) name and visited Kirkpatrick Durham in Oct 2005.
On the head stone of my ancestors grave (plot no.176)I noted one of the insciptions as "Also Hellen Barkley who died 8th December 1847 aged 32 years.
I have the complete inscription if would like it along with some research reports.
In the Search of the Old Parish Registers of Kirkpatrick Durham there is an inscription by the request of John Barkly which states Hugh (Robson) son of John Robson and Hellen Barkly born at Kirkpatick Village 17th July 1836.
I am quite happy to pass on any of this inforamtion.
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alpal
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Gday Brolga,
Not sure if you have this information but I will submit it and you can make what you will of it.
Agnes Seaton Barkley was born 15 February 1828,Scotland and died 7 Janauary 1880 Echuca Australia.She married James Robison 5 March 1854 Scotland.I believe James died 1898,Sheppperton,Victoria,Australia.Children born in Mt Egerton,Victoria Australia were
Janet,1863,Walter,1867,Mary,1869.
Agnes died from the effects of burns as a result of sparks from her husbands pipe which ignited her dress and hay that the family were carrying on their cart.Kerosene was also on the cart.This occured on an extremely hot day during a severe drought.The children and James escaped unscathed.The coroner ruled death by accident.This is a brief summary of the Coroners report.
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)I was contacted by Alan in Australia who's doing same tree(McGeorge/Barkley). His line is through Katherine Barkley (sister to Agnes Barkley who married James Robison)He has lots of info on Barkley family (And Kay has too)but, unfortunately nothing to add on James Robison. (Good work by Monica can I just say.)