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Building Date
« on: Friday 24 February 06 16:57 GMT (UK) »

We are trying to date our house. I have no names to go on .
The Building was listed in the 1901 census as

1 Tannery Cottages, Drift Way, Royston Herts.

It is believed to have been built after 1840 but do not know the date.

Can anyone help?

Jouko

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Re: Building Date
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 February 06 13:37 GMT (UK) »

Welcome jouko Smiley

Unfortunately censuses are generally name indexed and so it takes much longer to locate an address.  On earlier censuses, street numbers are quite often not given.  The earliest available census is the 1841.

It occurred to me that perhaps if you contacted your lender, that they may be willing to check your deeds for you.

Just a thought.

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Re: Building Date
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 February 06 13:42 GMT (UK) »

Hi Jouko,

After a lot of hunting, I managed to find "1 Tannery Cottages, Drift Way" in the 1901 census for Royston. It was occupied by a widow, Elizabeth Wing, aged 62 and living on own means. She was from Chesterton, Cambs. Also living there was her daughter, Beatrice S Wing, a dressmaker born in Bassingbourn and aged 23, and a boarder called Harry A Rawlings, a 22 year old Engineer from Bedford.

Hopefully this will give you something to go on. If I have a bit of time later, I'll have a look and find out if the family were there in 1891, and see if I can take it back a bit further.

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Re: Building Date
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 February 06 14:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi again Jouko,

In 1891 the same family is living at "Tannery Cottages No. 1", however the civil parish is now Bassingbourn, and not Royston. Definately the same house though, even the neighbours are the same.

The family are:
George Wing, a 70/50? year old night watchman from Meldreth
His wife Elizabeth,
Their son Tom, a 20 year old Photographer and Lantern Slide Colourist from Bassingbourn,
Their daughter Beatrice, a 14 year old dressmaker.

In 1881 the family are still living in the house, now called "Old Tannery Cottages." Interestingly George Wing was a Chelsea Pensioner, as well as a night watchman at the brewery. As well as George, Elizabeth, Tom and Beatrice, there is also a married 19 year old son called Stephen George Wing who was a french polisher from Bassingbourn, a 13 year old daughter called Blanche, and an 8 year old daughter called Elenor.

The house was there in 1871 called "Tannery Cottages, Baldock Road", with the same Wing family living there, and another daughter, Laura Elizabeth Wing, age 7.

In 1861 George Wing (40) and Elizabeth Wing (24) were not living in the house, but in Chinwick End, Melbourn. I think that I have found the house though, by looking for the neighbours. There are 2 houses, referred to as "House in Tan Yard", next to/on Baldock Road. Number 1 was occupied by:

Samuel Britton, a 51 year old Ag Lab from Royston
His 53 year old wife Mary from Melbourn,
Son, William 29 from Royston
Daughter Ann, 24 from Bassingbourn
Daughter Eliza, 17 from Bassingbourn
Adopted daughter Ann, 8 from Bassingbourn.


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Re: Building Date
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 February 06 15:32 GMT (UK) »

Jouko,

Managed to find that 2 houses called "Tannery House" on Baldock Road in the 1851 census. I think that this must be your house, the neighbours of the Britton family in the house in the 1861 census are in the neighbouring house to this one in 1851. The family are:

William Brown, age 36 from Royston
Ann Brown, age 43 from Empingham??
Susan, age 11 from Royston
William, age 9 all the rest born Bassingbourn.
James, age 7
Susan, age 5
Fanny, age 3
Richard, age 1

I can't go back any further than that I'm afraid, if you want to find out if your house was there in 1841, I would suggest that you ask somebody to look up this family in the 1841 census for Bassingbourn, or failing that, their neighbour Jacob Woods (b. 1797) and wife Martha, who lived at the second cottage called "Tannery House", on Baldock Road.

Hope this has helped you, I've had great fun looking it all up, what a fascinating house!  Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Building Date
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 February 06 17:29 GMT (UK) »

Hi Rick and Millerina

Thanks for the suggestions and help.

1868 is the earliest positive date so far.

The semi-detached house built in the shape of a "T", has been assumed to have been built to house the owners/workers of the Tannery, the foundations of which are under a flowerbed at the rear of our garden.

The house has 13 inch solid wall built from random chalk ("clunch") lumps with dressed corners, windows and doors, sitting on a flint faced rubble lower course to keep the chalk out of the moisture. A welsh slate roof with over hanging eaves with chimneys some 10 feet above the ridge make it a very attracive house.

Tennanted until 1950, it was then converted and sold as a single house, on the death of the owner we bought it in 1978.

The house suffered 2 fires. The first in January 1905 in which the top bar of the "T" was burnt out and the leg also badly damaged. The house was rebuilt and the furniture moved in ready for occupation. In the early ours of the following morning, April 14th 1905, a fire started in the leg of the "T" and again that end of the house suffered sevear damage.

Thanks for your help.

Jouko






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Re: Building Date
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 March 06 09:54 GMT (UK) »

How about looking at the tithe map and index for the area which will be at HALS.  (Although was Bassingbourn then in Cambs Huh)  Not sure how detailed it will be but you do appear to have some names from the 51 census which may help you identify the house if it was there.  Generally the index I looked at gave name of occupant and owner.  Tithe maps I believe date from around 1840 but I know from the one I looked at that the index may have been compiled a few years before the map, because the occupant was dead by the time of the tithe map date.

A bit of a long shot, but this is probably the earliest detailed map you are going to find, I think.
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LAWRENCE - Gt Hormead, HUTCHIN - Albury, CARTER/CARTER CLAY - St Albans/Stanstead Abbotts, BURTON - Hoddesdon, WARD - Hunsdon, BEARD - Ware, LEE - Cripplegate/Glemsford
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Re: Building Date
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 March 06 14:42 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Benzon.

I have the 1806 Enclosure map of the parish of Bassingbourne which shows a field where the house is now.

So we are down to a gap between 1806 and the 1851 census which millerina reseached.

Being new to this game can you please expand on "HALS" for me in your note

"the tithe map and index for the area which will be at HALS"

Thank you for your input

Jouko
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Re: Building Date
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 March 06 15:00 GMT (UK) »

HALS =

Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies
County Hall
Hertford

Why not give them a call because they are usually most helpful. 
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LAWRENCE - Gt Hormead, HUTCHIN - Albury, CARTER/CARTER CLAY - St Albans/Stanstead Abbotts, BURTON - Hoddesdon, WARD - Hunsdon, BEARD - Ware, LEE - Cripplegate/Glemsford
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