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Skipworth
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At least that was the address in the 1871 Census. I can only find an image on a postcard on the web and would like some info on the building.
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MaryA
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You will be able to see where it is on a map at www.streetmap.co.uk put in Wellington Road and choose the one for Wallasey. I think if you use Wallasey as part of the address for googling you might have more luck. At least I suspect the house is still there,
"Cubbin Recently, James Cubbin, MRPharmS, of "Rock Villa", 56 Wellington Road, Wallasey, Merseyside CH45 2NF. Mr Cubbin registered in 1952. " from the Obituaries in the Pharmaceutical Journal in 2002.
There is a nice site being set up about New Brighton http://emit.demon.co.uk/walrus/magsprop.html#intoduction with an aerial shot of the area, difficult to pick out Wellington Road but maybe possible.
I wonder if you might find something if you approached the Chester Archives, they may have old Planning documents etc. http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/home.htm
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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Thank you Mary for all your info and links. I had found an old ordinance map with a link to a modern aerial view and there seem to be a lot of trees at the site but couldn't see any buildings. I will follow up your advice.
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MaryA
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I had fun looking for maps for you.
Try www.old-maps.co.uk and put in Wellington Road, choose the Wallasey, Merseyside one and when it comes to the individual names just choose any of them until you get the map, then click on "Enlarged View" and it opens up larger in a new window. Look at the coastline to the north until you see Red Noses and Yellow Noses (must find out what these are named for - unless just the shapes of the line of the coast) and in between these just on the land you will see Rock Villa named.
Now go to http://maps.google.co.uk/ and put in Wallasey, Click on "Hybrid" and it will give you the names of the roads, Wellington Road is a touch further inland that I thought it would be so maybe some of the river has been reclaimed, and I imagine that Rock Villa must have been near the west end of it, which looks a little bare on that satellite picture, although there are some buildings just before the end of the road. If you have GoogleWorld I would imagine you might get an even better look.
Do you know New Brighton at all yourself? Back in 1871 it would have been quite the "Brighton" of the north west with many attractions, the tower, said to be patterned on the Eiffel Tower, France, and it's ballroom, wasn't built until 1896 though.
It has always been a favourite day trip from Liverpool with the trip on the "Ferry Cross the Mersey" with the Fort and Lighthouse to see, the open air swimming pool would have been later but a major attraction from about the 1930's onwards until 1990 when it was forced to close due to damage caused by bad storms. It also has a history of smuggling, google for Old Mother Redcaps, I should think you would turn up something interesting.
This is another site which will have some good details for you to get an idea of how the place was, not just the house itself. http://www.merseyside.net/newbrighton/
Mary
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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Gosh you have been busy Mary. Thank you so much. I really love this aspect of researching my family tree. I have used the old-maps uk site and agree that originally the homes were closer to the water.
Skipworth
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Todays Street Map
Deleted map,no longer needed
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Hi Skipworth
Sorry its so big but you would not see wellington road if smaller.Its a long road, and it will give you some idia of how the land lies today.Have put a bracket top left. Hope this might be of use to you. As the map is large and only of interest to you. If you print it out, i can then delete it,so the page will load quicker. So let me know on here when you have done so. 
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Celia, Hi! you might know the area better than I do, but have looked on www.old-maps.co.uk and saw Rock Villa at the end of Wellington Road. Are you able to compare from your knowledge whether it would have been on that part printed on your map or would there have been a further bit of road going to the west?
Mary
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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What knowledge
the only thing i know about these villa's is that they have been there forever.According to snippits i heard when younger . They were called Rock villas because they are built on rock bed ,or is that bed rock?. They were built high on a rock the back facing the sea.Which came up to the rock.because they hadn't built the prom then. That information came from the library ( read a lot). As a Matter of fact i have just remembered,i have a small copy of a painting done in the middle 1800.It shows the villas on the rock with the sea below. The fort in the distance and the light house nearby.children playing on the beach in the forground.Where maybe the place they call the red noses is now. I have to tell you i am now in contact with skipworth. I got interested in the houses and want to research them myself.
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Front page news
I now found i did find the right house but forgot it was on a hill.Thats why i thought it was wrong as it was to small.
The news is i have found the information/History on all the Villa's.Including Rock. The information mentions you Family. Have also found loads of interesting movement in the directories.
Gotta go Celia
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Skipworth (Mary)
Changed my mind about rushing of again in search of more info.To tired and to late anyway I got a bit exited,on your behalf and went a bit mad  . Have decided apart from very private and off topic stuff (photo's and that) i will put the information i find on here.To keep Mary in the picture,more or less . so she knows whats going on.Also as i now know where to obtain the History of all the Villa's.Someone else might be interested.I spent a couple of hours going through the directories, from 1862-1886. Do you know of anyone else that might be interested in your family? Can't remember which year it was now,but in one of them some very naughty person has marked one of the reference to one of your Peers. With red Biro marks, 4 times.I was annoyed with that  Thats not the done thing with genealogists is it. When the weather clears up i will take trip down and take a proper photo of the front and back of the villa and some surrounding area's. Must now go and get my finding typed up. So will leave you with some reading material in the meantime. (will scan it now)The picture is what looks like a copy of an old Black and white one,because it doesn't look like that now.Back later
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Not allowed to leave this empty
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ROCK VILLA WELLINGTON ROAD
In 1837 William Rowson sold off one of his portions of land, amounting to 2,120 Square yards and ejected to the Cliff estate, to Peter Greenall, Brewer of St Helens. It is not clear whether Rowson or Greenall built this house on the land, but right from the start it was known as Rock Villa, and it is of course still standing today and still possessing the same name. Peter Greenall,
Who used the house as a summer residence, was a man of considerable importance. In his own area. He was the grandson of Thomas Greenall, who founded Greenall Whitley’s St Helens brewery in 1762
It goes on to say quiet a lot about The brewery and Peter Greenall so will skip that those bits
Following Peter Greenalls death (18th September, 1845) “Rock Villa was occupied by a variety of tenants, during the next thirty years, including a cotton broker, a cotton spinner a merchant and Ship owner, and even a clerk to the borough magistraits,, but 1875 marked the arrival of the Peers Family in the person of James Peers, also a cotton broker, who was the forunner of what was to turn out to be a forty year connection with the house. He was the father of George Hunter Peers.The founder in 1878; of what is now the Peers club in St Georges Road, a justice of the peace, and a man who persuaded the Wallasey Local Board to purchase Cental Park after Harold littledales death in 1889. He also went down in history as the man who demolished the mill on the breck, replacing it with a residence; well know for nearly eighty years as “Millthwait”
And as the father of Hugh Peers, Local historian of note. The reign of the Peers family at Rock Villa came to an end shortly after the finish of World war 1 .The next occupant being Mr. C.R. Marples a well known Liverpool cotton broker,who spent some years there,to be followed by Pat athern,a well known Wallasey commission – agent and the wallasey sea cadets, who used the house as their headquarters for a while.In 1959 “Rock Villa was purchased by Mr. Norman Kingham, the Architect, including the caves under the dwelling formed out of soft stone of the red and yellow noses., Access to these cave which still exist, at one time was from the shore, before the promenade was built but today is by way of steps inside a manhole within the garden of “Rock Villa” The house itself originally had Gothic features but owing to past neglect and was damage.All of these have been lost and replaced with more modern styles which has altered its character.
Note the book this came from was printed I think in the 60’
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I'm enjoying what you've found out Celia, I too was in touch with Skipworth but more about sites where she can read up local information, you seem to have a lot more about the house itself which is great. I found it was actually mentioned on old-maps.co.uk, but that was all.
VERY naughty of somebody writing in ink, pencils only allowed!
I look forward to hearing more of this story you two
Lots of luck with it
Mary
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At last i have got the info up have spent al evening and more trying,if all else fails ,Re-print ,copy and paste. will have to but the old photo upstair now.
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