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james walker gorton/jane allcock stockport
« on: Saturday 04 March 06 18:23 UTC (UK) »

looking for parents  of jane allcock b 1827 stockport..married james walker b 1831 gorton   and any other children apart from joseph 1859   and robert 1865...presume married about 1855  .regards.....allan
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Re: james and jane walker gorton/stockport
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 March 06 19:32 UTC (UK) »

Possible marriage from Cheshire BMD http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

James Walker m. Jane Allcock, St Thomas, Heaton Norris, Stockport, 1856/60

No other children on 1871 census - haven't found them in 1861.  Sad

1851 census has this family living in Heaton Norris:

HO107/2155/79/13 - 23 Bentley St, Heaton Norris
Charles Walker  Head  52  Ag. Labourer  b. Gorton, Lancs
Mary Walker  Wife  50  b. Nantwich, Cheshire
James Walker Son  19  Cotton Power Loom Weaver  b. Gorton
Thomas Walker  Son  17  Crofter & Blacker  b. Gorton
Joseph Walker  Son  15  Cotton Power Loom Weaver  b. Gorton
Edward Wilson  Stepson  13  Cotton Power Loom Weaver  b. Heaton Norris
Emma Wilson  Stepdaughter  9  At Home  b. Heaton Norris

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts      
CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton      
LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton
MAY: Caulfield, Griffin      
SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory      
SOM: Dowding, James, Jones

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Re: james and jane walker gorton/stockport
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 March 06 09:23 UTC (UK) »

thanks rambler...they are both down as cotton weavers in census,so this is a very likely match for james...looks like second wife for charles...how would i find 1st wife,mother of james,thomas and joseph,and also her maiden name??need someone to explain how you get marriage certs,birth certs etc....appreciated...regards...allan
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Re: james walker gorton/jane allcock stockport
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 March 06 13:07 UTC (UK) »

Civil registration began in England in 1837, so unfortunately you won't be able to get a birth cert for James.

You can order BMD certs online at http://www.1837online.com

Free BMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com is an incomplete searchable database from 1837- early 1900's.  (James' marriage isn't listed here yet.)  Ancestry have recently made the images of the BMD index available at http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5963 - if you check through from 1856 to 1860 you should be able to find the GRO reference for the marriage, which means you can order it more cheaply!

Otherwise,you can order the marriage cert by post from Cheshire BMD at the link I gave you.

Try posting a separate request for a 1841 lookup for Charles and family - I don't have access to that census, but someone else might be able to help.

In the meantime, how about this from the IGI (available free at http://www.familysearch.org):

James Walker, son of Charles Walker and Elizabeth, b. 21 Nov 1831 and christened 18 May 1834, Gorton, Lancs.

Thomas Walker, son of Charles Walker and Elizabeth, christened 18 May 1834, Gorton, Lancs.

Joseph Walker, son of Charles Walker and Elizabeth, christened 4 Sep 1836, Gorton, Lancs.

No maiden name, though!

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts      
CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton      
LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton
MAY: Caulfield, Griffin      
SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory      
SOM: Dowding, James, Jones

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Re: james walker gorton/jane allcock stockport
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 March 06 13:11 UTC (UK) »

many thanks...allan
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Re: james walker gorton/jane allcock stockport
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 April 06 08:56 UTC (UK) »

This might help with marriage of Charles and Elizabeth, as I have extracted all Walkers from Gorton, Denton, etc.,  and some marriages for Charles' from Manchester Cathedral.

Charles Walker Batchelor, Labourer, of Manchester (parish included Gorton then) to Elizabeth Waver.  Both X's, Witness X of Edward Baker.

Charles Walker Batchelor, Weaver of Manchester to Elizabeth Clough.  Both X's. Witness Jane or Tom Eccles who signed.

I cannot find a baptism of this Charles in Gorton, so he may have come from further west and have been baptised in a church such as Birch-in-Rusholme, etc.,   the only Charles near his age was the son of Samuel and Nancy, Butcher, and Charles was a butcher and remained in Denton with his family.

I would opt for the Charles Labourer myself as the Charles on the Census was an Ag.Lab and not a weaver.

Hope this helps.  Cannot see a burial for Elizabeth, but again this could be in another church.
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Re: james walker gorton/jane allcock stockport
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 April 06 07:11 UTC (UK) »

thanks butlerclan....as they seemed to be all weavers ,i agree that charles the labourer more than likely fits the bill .do you recommend i pursue this line?...allan
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Re: james walker gorton/jane allcock stockport
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 April 06 12:27 UTC (UK) »

It's up to you whether you pursue this line of thought really.   But if it were me, I certainly would consider it.     I looked at the extracts of 1841 Census for Gorton, and the family don't appear to be there, so they had probably moved to Heaton Norris, as was the suggestion of the other person. 

Baptisms could have been carried out at Manchester Cathedral, as well as the marriage, so look at the IGI first and see what that turns up.  (For Charles, that is)

Happy hunting
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