|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: Missing father ? White (Read 764 times)
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
 Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
All part of the process of elimination, Jan! 
I still think you will have to choose one of the 2 original options to find the father, though Eddie
A 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
janan
RootsChat Marquessate
 Offline
Posts: 5149
|
I've searched every which way for him in 1891 but can't find him 
Jan
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
|
|
janan
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 5149
|
Got him 
Jan
1891
Workhouse Lane, Leighton Buzzard
Charles Tebby Head M 57 Agri Labourer Beds Leighton Bd
Emma do Wife M 50 Beds Leighton Bd
William do Grandson 6 Scholar Beds Luton
RG12/1264/60 Pg24
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
|
|
janan
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 5149
|
Found Charles in 1881
Jan
Workhouse Lane, Leighton Buzzard
Charles Tibby Head M 47 Ag Lab Leighton
Emma do Wife M 42 Hatter Straw do
RG11/1640/71 Pg32
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
|
|
UKgirl
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 273
|
Hi Arranroots and janan!
You have been busy bees!!
Well done- eddie will be very pleased .
Sorry about the Elizabeth Charles fiasco!! I had one foot out of the door on my way home, and it was VERY LATE at night
But you got it all, well done.
There's certainly a lot of food for thought there.
After all that searching, they were actually at the same address 1861, 1871, 1881, and 1891!!
So William was not looked after by the "Whites" after the age of 6, if in fact at all!!
Did either of you come across a candidate for "Mr White" living in close proximity?
UKgirl
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
I think the thing to remember here is that the census is just a snapshot of one night in a ten year period.
A lot can change over that time - think of what you have done in the last ten years!
We cannot reasonably expect Mr WHITE to be living next door on the night of the census - although it does sometimes happen!
You can be assured that if he was there, we would have spotted him! 
My point is that even if we suspected the neighbour's boy, it would still be along way from proving anything! Also that the WHITEs could well have looked after William for a period of years and we would be unaware of it. If the story about the WHITEs looking after him IS true, it could well be backed up by other evidence such as bastardy orders identifying their son as the father. That line is worth pursuing.
Have you got a marriage cert for William, Eddie? There is just an outside chance he might have identified his father on that.
kind regards, Arranroots
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
UKgirl
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 273
|
Hello Arranroots,
Except in this case, it wasn't just a snapshot of one night in 10 years, it was 4 nights in 40 years.
It's very unusual for families to stay put at the same address for so long.
So, it might be that the Whites did too, or at least that they were very close by during one or more of those Censuses.
The fact that the White grandparents were supposed to have helped out and that his middle name was blatantly "White", certainly suggests that they were closely "in the picture", don't you think? As I said in my earlier post, they seem to have been kind grandparents, which is a very nice thought.
Ukgirl
PS. And I think if the neighbours' boy happened to be a married man called White, whose parents were living nextdoor, I'd definitely place my bet on him
Seriously though, we sometimes think that names like White or Smith or Jones are so numerous, that we should rule out the obvious.
I would suggest that if you forget how supposedly commonplace the name "White" seems, then if there is a White family next door, then "the obvious" is probably the thing to go with.
After all, DNA is out of the question, so you are only left with common sense and circumstantial evidence.
It's a hard life for some of us
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
One thing that strikes me about this, is that the parents of Elizabeth are consistently in Leighton Buzzard and yet the baby is born in Caddington.
Elizabeth is not found yet in 1881, which means she is effectively missing for a long period. She would likely be employed, possibly away from home in 1881.
So I looked for her in Caddington without success.
I did find a family of WHITEs in Caddington, with eligible sons. Briefly they are:
Mathew WHITE H M 47 - straw dealer
Hannah 45
Mary 22
Edwin 19 - ag lab
Ezra 15 - ag lab
Henry 12
Mathew 9
Elizabeth 6
Chaul End, Caddington
I thought I would see what became of the sons, since we know that Elizabeth does not appear to have given birth at her parents' home - maybe that of her lover's parents?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
Unable to locate an address that looks like Slip End in 1881 or 1891.
The WHITE family are still in Chaul End in 1891, minus Edwin who is married and has called his first daughter Elizabeth (although presumably after his sister) and his son is Hilary Edwin.
Who registered the birth Eddie? And who were the witnesses at Elizabeth's marriage? I wondered whether her parents maintained contact with her as they did with her son.
It was not uncommon for a husband to object to taking care of children born to his wife before her marriage & that might be a more mundane reason that the WHITEs took some part in bringing up the baby.
Arranroots
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
UKgirl
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 273
|
Hello again,
I am wondering if there is an error with the reference nos. for 1881 and 1891.
Janan provided the info, but I haven't been able to pull up the relevant images using those numbers.
I expect he was in a hurry to type it up.
If Eddie wants to have a look at it, he might have a problem.
Ukgirl
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
No - the ref for 1881 is fine - try just putting Charles & he will pop up I am sure!
Will check the other now
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
Yes - same trick works for 1891
Jan is usually reliable!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Online
Posts: 9663
~ Grand Aunt Jenny ~
|
Do you notice that in 1891 the property next door to the TEBBEYs home is described a "Common Lodging House"?
There are LOTS of men lodging there, so the potential for transient fathers is enormous!
I still want to know where Elizabeth is in 1881 though, as she must have met the Daddy somewhere!
Arranroots
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
|
|
EddieW
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 215
|
A great big thankyou everyone.
This is fantastic.
Slip end is on the birth cert of William G and there is a Slip End in Beds and Herts in the road map of Britain.
If William G was with his grandparents in 1891 the Whites may not have looked after him after all as you say UKgirl.
I see Ann died between 1861 and 1871 and Charles remarried by 1881 so things do change over 10 years even if its at the same address.
His mother Elizabeth registered the birth but no father on the birth or Williams marriage cert.
Witnesses to Elizabeth's marriage were James and Rose Ellen Mouse, no idea were they fit in yet, probably just Friends.
There were Whites and Tebbey's in straw hat manufacturing so the two families could have been Friends through work as on William Gs marriage cert he was a straw hat packer and his wife (my Gran) was a straw hat finisher so i assume they met at work.
Cheers for now
EddieW
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
UKgirl
RootsChat Senior
Offline
Posts: 273
|
Hi again,
I think that a spot of compassion is required here.
According to eddie's post, he uses LDS for 1881.
As such, he would never be able to find them from the info posted so far, and I guess that he would like to look at them with his own eyes.
I would hardly say that anyone "pops up".
So, to help Eddie find them with the LDS site, and to help anyone else struggling to follow this thread save their precious time:
1861- Indexed as Charles Tebby
1871- Indexed as Charles Sebby
1881- Indexed as Charles Libby
1891- Indexed as Charles Lebley
UKgirl
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4
|
|
|
|
|
