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NouNou
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Looking for any siblings/parents of my GG Grandmother, Charlotte Priscilla Clough (she may have been known as "Jane"). She was born in Africa about 1855 according to later census entries. All I know about her family is that her father was an E. B. Clough. She married Brooke Greville in 1879 and appeared to have been living in Natal at that time. Her elder children were born in Pietermaritzburg. Her husband was in the British army and the family later settled in England.
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Hi there,
Shelagh Spencers book British Settlers in Natal, South Africa; 1824 - 1857
gives a Mrs Priscilla Buerdsell Clough as an emigrant - these books are freely available in the libraries in South Africa - if you dont have access to these I could try and find some deatils for you.
If you look in the archives you will see that there are a number of redernces to a Edward Buersdall Clough who died in 1912 - his wife was Charlotte Elizabeth born Smith.
Most of the Clough references are in the Natal area - I would suggest writing to the Pietermaritzburg archives as EB certainlt seemed to be in the news a lot!
Ruth
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NouNou
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Thank you so much for the information it seems likely this is the family, Charlotte and Priscilla were popular names in earlier generations of my family. I was unaware of the books as I live in England; my husband is a librarian, he may be able to track copies down. I thought this branch would be almost impossible to track down because Clough is a common name and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help!
Anoushka
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Hi again,
What really interested me was the Buersdell middle name asit is very uncommon - maybe worth investigating in the UK. A lot of the Natal settlers came from the Yorkshire area ( East and North)
You can also search through these lists which may give their entry into Natal although there were Cloughs living in the Cape at the time.
http://www.genealogyworld.net/rose/natal.html
My guess is that EB and family were from the UK though. To be born in PMB( Pietermaritzburg) in 1856 means they must have been early settlers. Rosemary aka Mole on this forum is a real expert on Natal history. She has transcribed lots of the records on the Genealogyworld.net site and is based here in Durban. I will send her an email and see if I can get any info - my friend also works in the local FHS library.
Right now I need to go to school..........
Ruth
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guyholmes
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Hi, just googled my cousin in SA (Brooke) and stumbled across your posts. Brooke Greville is my great great great grandfather he and Granny Pris (if I have it all correctly) came back to the UK. Brooke served as a brigadier in the Army and was also a kings messenger etc. I had better not post my mothers email (Priscilla Greville, nor my aunt Charlotte's) but will get in touch with them as they know all of the family connections. I think my mother pronounces 'Buerdsell' as 'Bussel'.
Generally though we are easy to find in Burke's Peerage or Debrettes. Look at the collateral branch of the Earls of Warwick. You will get all of the Cloughs linked in there too.
Hope this is handy cousin,
best wishes, Guy
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NouNou
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Thank you. I am aware of the Grevilles as my GG was Brooke's daughter. As I recall our last Greville ancestor to be Earl of Warwick died about 300 years ago. I have several thousand direct ancestors in my family tree - mainly from those connections but am trying to sweep up the more obscure ones.
I am interested in EB who appears to be step son of a Beer Seller from Salford, which must have been one of the most awful places on Earth in the mid 19th century. Also in his Mum who seems a real character! The mother and son combination are absolutely intriguing.
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harcourt
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Hi
Charles Walmer Harcourt Ascroft is related and I know of his full history and his current family from when he was first married to Cecil Violet Enid Greville
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harcourt
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Interesting to note how many people are related to me .
My Grandmother is Cecil Violet Enid Greville later to be married to Charles Walmer Harcourt Ascroft of Ankerwycke by 1st marriage in 1912 at Pietermaritzburg then her 2nd marriage in 1927 to Air Vice Marshall Edward Irvine Bussell CBE.
My father is her eldest son born in 1916 at Longfield,Wraysbury.
Let me know who you all are.
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harcourt
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Which Guy are you as I have various Guys in my Greville family,even my brothers carry the names Guy,Brooke,Charles and Fulke.
Typically of all the main branches of the remaining male Greville lines we are cursed with the ancient noble names that we all love so much including on my side of the remainder to the Barony the name Algernon,which crops up on a regular basis.
My Father relinquished the Algernon as a middle name then reintroduced it when it became fashionable,silly sod.
Still I am proud to carry the name Fulke Greville and will endeavour to use the name with flagrant snobishness.
Hi Tony how are you,get in touch and you Guy.
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Patkzn
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For reasons that have yet to be determined, a transcript of Edward Buerdsell Clough's marriage record is at the Mooi River Museum amongst papers relating to one of my great granduncles, William Smith (born 1837, Yorkshire; died 1911, Orpington,Kent, England).
The transcript reads "Edward Buerdsell Clough of Pmb born Stonehouse by Devonshire, aged 27 years, Bachelor; Charlotte Elizabeth Smith of Pmb born Uxbridge in Middlesex, England, aged 17 years, Spinster. James Hendry, Guardian consents."
The relationship, if any, between William Smith and Charlotte Elizabeth Smith is unknown. I also do not have any information about James Hendry.
Pat
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harcourt
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Hi, just googled my cousin in SA (Brooke) and stumbled across your posts. Brooke Greville is my great great great grandfather he and Granny Pris (if I have it all correctly) came back to the UK. Brooke served as a brigadier in the Army and was also a kings messenger etc. I had better not post my mothers email (Priscilla Greville, nor my aunt Charlotte's) but will get in touch with them as they know all of the family connections. I think my mother pronounces 'Buerdsell' as 'Bussel'.
Generally though we are easy to find in Burke's Peerage or Debrettes. Look at the collateral branch of the Earls of Warwick. You will get all of the Cloughs linked in there too.
Hope this is handy cousin,
best wishes, Guy
Hi Guy
Buerdsell is not Bussell, Air Vice marshall Edward Irvine Bussell CBE ( RAF ) married Cecil Violet Enid Ascroft,formerly Greville in 1927 at Knightsbridge,London.
Cecil Violet Enid Greville married in 1912 at Pietermaritzburg,S/Africa Charles Walmer Harcourt Ascroft.
My Nanny Cecil Violet Enid ( Jummy ) had a boy born June 1916 at Longfield,Wraysbury named Peter Charles Algernon Greville Ascroft later Peter Charles Algernon Fulke Greville as described in Debretts and Burkes 2007 edition,in the remainder of the Barony.
There is a mystery surrounding Cecil Violets son Peter born in 1916 it has been indicated that his true Father was a Titled Greville family member and young Peter was swept under the carpet not to cause any embarrassment to the Greville concerned as he already was married with a son and Heir.
This is being investigated at the moment and DNA tests are to be carried out.
We are trying to find out about her first husband Charles Walmer ( Harcourt ) Ascroft who is supposed to have returned back to England in 1913 aged 17 with his wife Cecil Violet.
But it has been said she returned back on her own without her husband and her husband mysteriously dissapeared after inheriting a share in a Goldmine at 17.
It has recently been indicated Charles Walmer Ascroft was in fact Charles Walmer Harcourt Ascroft of the noble family of Harcourt of Ankerwycke and he was the son of Otto Simon Henry Harcourt.
So if you know anything of the wherabouts of Charles Walmer Ascroft after 1913 please let me know.
My fathers sister was Pricilla who was Bussells daughter and later died in I believe 1984 of MS she was also blind,I have several tapes of her talking to my Father.
Brooke Bussell does not live in Africa anymore he lives in Canada.
Regards.
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Edward arrived in Natal under the name BUERDSELL, using Clough as his middle name. If you would like to discuss further, preferably contact me