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judith 4
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Hi Peter
No I havent cracked it as yet.
Here are the details on the marriage certificate, Joseph Ankers 21 Bachelor, Labourer Bridge St Chester Father William Ankers Shoemaker.
Catherine Quin Bridge St, Spinster, Bridge St, Father John Quin Joiner. Marriage Date Sept 1 1856 St Mary Chester.
I found them on the 1881 Census, they are living there with there children it was the name of Kezia that helped me as my father remembers going to her home for tea when he was a child.
Not found them anywhere else as I have been unable to look at any other census.
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Chris Cherry
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Hi Chris
I would be grateful if you could offer any help on the following:
William Dooley B: 29 Jun 1862 at 4 Livingston St Birkenhead. Father John Dooley Boilermaker journeyman, Mother Alice Fielding. I am trying to find the marriage of John & Alice but it is possible they came from Ireland. Also, William married Mary Ann Smith, she was born 1865 Bedminster Bristol, but I don't know where they married, although some children were born Liverpool.
Many thanks Chris
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peterbennett
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Hi Chris
With regards to the Mary and William marriage
can you give me an idea of where you have searched upto now. I did find them on the 1891 census living in Liverpool with no children, If the couple were married and its a possibility that they didn't , it would be best to work backwards from 18891, or from the birthdate of there first child if born before 1891 using the GRO index of BMD's.
I have very little knowledge of Irish family history, but there are some very good people who I am sure would point you in the right direction to finding John and Alice, may I suggest that you post again to the common room headed lookup/how to ? Irish birth.
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Hi Peter
No I havent cracked it as yet.
Here are the details on the marriage certificate, Joseph Ankers 21 Bachelor, Labourer Bridge St Chester Father William Ankers Shoemaker.
Catherine Quin Bridge St, Spinster, Bridge St, Father John Quin Joiner. Marriage Date Sept 1 1856 St Mary Chester.
I found them on the 1881 Census, they are living there with there children it was the name of Kezia that helped me as my father remembers going to her home for tea when he was a child.
Not found them anywhere else as I have been unable to look at any other census.
Hi Judith
According to the IGI parish records (not complete ) there are two possibles for Joseph born around 1835 in Hargrave but neither have a William as father. the reason for mentioning this should become clear further on.
In the 1881 census which you have, states Joseph 43 b Hargrave living with family in the township of Foulk Stapleford,
As yet I dont have details of or access to the 71 or 61 census's.
So looking for Joseph on the 1851, I found on
folio 206 HO107- 2171 Joseph Ankers 15 farm servant born Tattenhall , right or wrong ? no others found in the area.
1851 HO 107-2171 folio 158 Hatton Heath Saighton
William Ankers head 38 master shoe maker b. Tattenhall
Mary ~ wife 39 b. Malpas
Elizabeth ~ daug 9 scholar b. Hargreave
John ~ son 7 b. ~
Thomas ~ son 3 b. ~
Emma ~ daug 6 months b. Saighton
It would seem that this family lived in Hargreave at least as far back as 1842. There were no other William Ankers in the area.
1841 census HO107-90-32 folio 7 Foulk Stapleford
William Ankers 28 occupation unreadable born in county
Mary ~ 28 ~ ~
George ~ 10 ~ ~
Sarah ~ 5 ~ ~
Joseph ~ 3 ~ ~
Samuel ~ 1 ~ ~
No other William and Mary Ankers found in the area.
If this is your Joseph born c 1837 then there should be a ref on the Cheshire BMD and yes there are two born in same year 1837 both in Tattenhall. these should be investigated in order to confirm parentage.
The IGI SEARCH shows as mentioned 2 Josephs
1) christoning July 9 1937 Father George Mother Mary
2) ~ Aug 1935 ~ Richard ~ Ann
These obviously because of the differant parents are not your Joseph but they do serve to complicate things on census's.
Without the 1861 and 1871 census's it is difficult to follow things through with any certainty.
Hope you can make some sense of it all, if not let me know.
will get back later with info on Catherine Quinn.
regards
peterbennett
Hi Judith 29/5/04
Just found another Ankers family living in Chester 1841, it might or might not be one of yours, but thought I had better not leave it ,you never know.
HO 107-130-7 folio 5 St. Anns Street St.Oswalds Parish Chester
Joseph Ankers 35 occupation ? born in county
Elizabeth ~ 35 not ~ ~
Selina ~ 13 ~ ~ ~
Emma ~ 11 ~ ~ ~
Charles ~ 9 ~ ~
Nathaniel ~ 7 ~ ~
William ~ 5 ~ ~
peterbennett
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Hi Judith
here is the 1841 census details for John Quinn Parkgate Gt.Neston
HO 107-125-5 folio 11
John head 40 born Ireland
Jane wife 45 ~ in county
Benjamin son 15 ~ ~
Henry ~ 12 ~ ~
Eliza daug 0 ~ ~
no Catherine Ann.
The 1851 census shows for Parkgate road Gt.Neston
HO 107-2173-folio 95
John Quinn head 50 ag/lab born Ireland
Jane ~ wife 55 ~ Neston Cheshire
again no Catherine Ann
I did think it may be the wrong family so
I did a search of the 1851 census of Chester and surrounding districts with again no sign of Catherine Ann.
Angela (fifer) searched the Neston area 1851 for me, again no Catherine Ann.
I will keep a lookout for the missing one.
regards
peterbennett
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Chris Cherry
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Hi Peter
Many thanks for your reply. I have looked on 1837 online, back from 1891 when first child (that I know of) was born, but no joy. I suppose it is possible they didn't marry, although Williams birth cert gives mother as Mary Ann Dooley formerly Smith. Maybe she was telling fibs!!
Anyway, thanks for trying
Chris
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Hi Chris
Were they or wern't they ? I had expieriance of the same thing with a family member of mine ,back in 1891 census they were Mr and Mrs Bennett, and Mr and Mrs Bennett again in 1901 census having had four children in between. I eventualy found there marriage in 1906!!
So it seems they were not the only ones.
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Hi Peter
I feel so close to finding her yet so far away. I am going to the Cheshire Archives Office on Wednesday don't know wether or not it will help me, as it is the first time I will have been, I am hoping I won't get too easily distracted, once again thanks for all your time and effort also to Angela.
Judith
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Hi Peter
Went to the records office on Wednesday, managed to confirm Josephs father as being William and his Mother as being Mary and found his brothers and sisters, which was fantastic. Now need to see if I can find Marys maiden name.
I couldn't find Catherine Ann Quin on any census or a record of her birth, really frustrating but I have decided to go back again and try, as I might have missed something. It does look like the family you found John and Jane Quin could be her Mother and Father but I wonder where Catherine could have been? I shall hopefully be a bit more organised the next time I visit as at one point I found myself looking at a microfilm I had already looked at!
Hi Judith
Well done with your finds. The records office can be a bit daunting first time, its about 20 years now since I last went to Chester, It was a not as busy in them days. Being disabled I rely on my sister if I need anything from there.
Anyway getting down to bussiness I have on my marriage index the following Index
27/1/1835 at St. Peters Hargrave parish of Tarvin
William Ankers (Tattenhall ) married Mary Hopley ( Malpas )
married by banns. It may be worth a look, although son George would have been 3 years old by then, so maybe not. But there again you never no !
info on St. Peters
Hargrave, St. Peter (C of E). A chapelry in Tarvin parish, a separate parish from 1878 comprising the townships of Foulk Stapleford and Huxley. Registers of baptisms 1744-1883, marriages 1746-49 and burials 1744-1813 are at the CRO. Registers of marriages from 1841 are at the church. Bishop's Transcripts 1632-1889 are at the CRO. Memorial inscriptions have been published by the FHS of Cheshire.
It would be the Bishops transcripts you need to veiw
good luck
peterbennett
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Fifer
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Hi Chris
Could you look up the following for me in the parish records.
Samuel Roscoe born app 1820 Neston
He married Elizabeth Jones in 1845 at st Mary'sSt Helens Neston Cheshire West
there Daughter Elizabeth Was born in 1850/51 Neston
Havent been able to trace Samuel and Elizabeth on the 1851 Census for Neston
Elizabeth Jones Remarried a Joseph Roscoe in 1861-1865 Birkenhead Possible brother of Samuel i havent been able to trace a death for Samuel yet and havent been able to find out who his Parents are
Hope you can help trace his Death and His Parents
Fifer
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