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Topic: Hulver (nr Beccles) (Read 513 times)
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suffolkboyswife
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I am trying to search for the christening of my husbands GT GT GT Grandmother. I have had conflicting accounts concerning where she was born either Beccles or Hulver, through the hard work of others I can confirm she was not christened in Beccles.
Can anybody help me as I cannot find Hulver on any parish record search lists, would it have been a parish in its own right or would it have come under another one as I know it was very tiny (only a handful of houses apparently).
The year I am looking at is around 1812 and my husbands GGG Grandmother was called Jemima Smith. I have found her birth place details from the various census' some say Beccles and some say Hulver, presumably as Hulver was so tiny and Beccles was the nearest town it was easier to put down Beccles.
I would be very grateful if anyone could help by letting me know the name of the parish Hulver was under so I can continue in my search.
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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jellyang
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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There is a village called Hulver in Suffolk. It is near to Shadingfield/ Sotterley area. I was grave yard hunting a few weeks ago and remember the road signs. I have confirmed this with the other half who was born in that area. For reserach purpose you will probably need to search under Blything or Wangford registration areas.
Happy hunting
Angie
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Rick
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Welcome Jellyrang! 
Hulver is a place, but it was not a parish in its own right but was part of the parish of Henstead. Henstead is in Blything RD.
Best Wishes
Rick
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suffolkboyswife
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Thanks everyone, I will have to try and sort out getting hold of the correct microfiche as I think that may be only way to find out Jemima's parents.
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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annes
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Hi Suffolkboyswife
Taken from Henstead PR:
Jemima Smith
Natural daughter of Mary Smith (late Butcher)
Privately baptised at Henstead 15th December 1811
Not sure what "natural daughter" means, I don't think she's illegitimate because other entries referred to base born, and this definitely said natural daughter. Also, she appears to be married to a Smith as her maiden name is listed although no father's first name is mentioned.
I did have a quick look at Henstead marriages for a possible Smith/Butcher but couldn't find anything.
Seem to have answered one mystery but turned up another 
Kind regards
Anne
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suffolkboyswife
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Hi annes,
Thank you so much for looking all that info up for me, I can't believe you were able to find her  .
As you say it has thrown up another mystery, but wouldn't family research be boring if there wasn't a mystery or 2..... or 3, or 4...........  .
At least I have another name to go on not just Smith now 
thanks again
Sarah
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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suffolkboyswife
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hi,
It looks like Jemima was illegitimate, is it possible that Mary had a husband that died but Jemima was born more than 9 months after his death and that Butcher was Mary's married name and Smith her Maiden name-that is one scenario that has been put to me.
Any help/opinions would be gratefully received as this Smith family is causing me so much grief
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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annes
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Hi again!
Have been back to SRO today and asked a member of staff there about this entry. She confirmed that Jemima was illegitimate, and her mother Mary most probably a widow.
I looked again at Henstead PRs but could not see a potential marriage or death.
I found this at nearby Beccles (about 3-4 miles? away)
Jonathan Smith m. Mary Butcher
4th May 1800 at Beccles
Both of this parish
Witnesses: John Butcher and Ezra Bobbett
However, could find no baptisms at Beccles of children of Jonathan and Mary (but some for Jonathan and Susan Smith (late Butcher)).
Not much to go on I know, and not even sure if this marriage is correct, but might be something to work on? Sorry but could not see a death at Beccles for a Jonathan Smith either  so all in all, I'm not sure if I've been much help !!!
Regards
Anne
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suffolkboyswife
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Thank you so much , you have been so kind to ask at the SRO it is somewhere I am not easily able to visit so thank you once again. You have been very helpful if it is the correct marriage how is that for a coincidence-we called our son Jonathan and our surname is Smith (directly through from Jemima)
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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suffolkboyswife
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You may have to read all previous messages in this thread (if you haven't already) to understand what I'm talking about here
I sent for Jemima's marraige cert. to see if that had anymore information and low and behold father's name-Jonathan Smith occupation turner (i think, the handwriting is a bit fancy but looking at how other letters are formed in other words on the cert I'm fairly sure it says turner).
So, does that imply he was alive because under occupation it didn't say deceased? or did Jemima just put her mothers husband's name to avoid the embarrassment of having unknown written on her marriage cert. (the grooms father was a witness but Jonathan wasn't)
Any thoughts/comments would be gratefully received.
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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suffolkboyswife
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I hope to visit the SRO (AT LAST) in the next couple of weeks as my husband has 2 weeks off work and my in-laws have just moved 10 mins from us so we can drop our son off with them and drive down to Ipswich or Bury st Edmunds and hopefully find some answers-would they hold information like bastardy orders (Jemima had an illigitimate daughter and I was wondering about her father).
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Lincolnshire - Keightley Randell/Randall, Clark(e), Brooks, Neave, Horton, Fidel, Wilson
Bedfordshire - Brown, James, Plowman
Suffolk - Smith (Fressingfield),Catchpole, Blo(o)mfield, Leftley, Vincent
Nottinghamshire - Fenton, Weightman, Laycock, Wilson
Norfolk - Claxton, Todd, Fiddaman,
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