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deb usa
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Hi again
I think this Mary palmer has been mentioned before.
Her age is off 
1901
Devon
Tavistock
Tamerton Foliot
Plympton, St Mary
Maristow Barton
Thomas Sturtridge and family ..Farmer
MARY PALMER Married 38, dom servant b St Mary's Truro
I can't see a Mary Palmer b 1863, Truro in 1891 census.
I wonder if this could be Mary remarrying;
Mary Palmer to either William Henry Bezzell or Charles William Johnson
Mar q 1910 Plympton St Mary
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi Britgirl
Going on the assumption that our Mary Palmer is in Devon, Tavistock area in 1901 and stayed in Devon, I wonder if Annie followed her and got married there?
Marriage;
Tavistock, Devon
Annie Palmer to either
Richard Harry W Marks or Sidney George Bolt
Dec q 1909
5b 779
What do you think?
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi
I think the bad vibes stemmed from Bessie .... she disliked her dad, maybe because of his dalliance with Alice. She never had any problem with your gran and Uncle Jack.
My Nan remembers being with her dying mother, Bessie and that her Granddad Palmer stood at the end of the street and did not attend Bessie's funeral. My Nan remembers her granddad Palmer (john snr.), his funeral procession ...supposedly he had a big black hearse pulled by black horses addorned with "feather head dresses'...she remembers standing watching it and shouting "may you rot in hell' and some woman slapping her saying : "be quiet, that's your grandfather' .... something must have happened for Bessie to pass these feelings onto her children! I am glad that your Mary and Jack did not have these feelings.
William Penfold and Bessie died within months of each other ... 1926
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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another thought
Perhaps it was possible for Mary Palmer to remarry in Devon as she was not known there. I have come across many marriages lately even though the person was still married to the 1st spouse.
John may not have been able to marry as he stayed in Truro.
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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I have no clue when John snr died. But if my Nan was born in 1914 and she did what she said she did as a child , then I would say he had to have died circa 1930's or earlier.
I think the fact that Bessie knew that her dad was carrying on with this younger woman, made her really angry. Especially since maybe everyone in Truro knew what was happening! I am even thinking that maybe Bessie, Mary or Annie may have introduced her into the family if she was a friend of theirs as Alice was of the same age. I see that Alice is born St Clements ...why can't I find her in 1891 . There are a couple of PHILP families in St Clement in 1891 ...no Alice but there is an Olivia Alice.
I will ask my cousin (Middleton side) in Canada to have a look at 1911 for us.
Maybe ordering the certs could put this to rest ...but lets investigate further before we do this.
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Britgirl
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Well, although his age is out by 5 years I believe your Joseph was loging at the Luther E Clarke Victoria Home, Whitechapel, London in 1891.
Joseph Ivey, lodger, single, 35, brushmaker, employed, birthplace; On the High Seas.
In 1881 his birthdate is placed at 1859, so still out a bit, and there aren't any other Joseph Ivey's who were brushmakers, except this one!
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Grose - Cornwall
Rice - Devon
Harris - Herefordshire
Bristow - London
Sadler - Yorkshire
Nye - London
Allen - Cornwall
Palmer - Cornwall
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, though about half of them seem to have died before the age of 5.
