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Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #165 on: Thursday 23 August 07 21:11 BST (UK) »

From the information you give it doesn't actually say Jane Maunder was living in the same house.
The 1871 census gives Jane Maunder 43 the wife of Thomas a shoemaker in Pydar Street.
Though like most women on censuses there is no occupation for Jane she may very well have supplemented the family's income by nursing within the local community. She has no children present in the family home so would be available to stay overnight nursing the dying and perhaps those in childbirth. Like many such women she also performed the service of registering the death. The registrar would likely know her and know she had experience of death and illness and could describe symptoms. The registrar would not therefore consider that there was anything suspicious in the cause of death. By 1875 a doctor legally had to certify the death and any informant had to give their relationship to the deceased.

'Someone present at the death could simply have been the person who made a living by sitting with the dying and laying them out after death, or a close friend or neighbour and is not necessarily a relative.'

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm#COL7

'Hematemesis: The medical term for bloody vomitus.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematemesis

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Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #166 on: Thursday 23 August 07 21:30 BST (UK) »

Thanks Valda  Smiley

I was jumping to conclusions again ....  Lips Sealed Undecided Roll Eyes

also thanks for the medical term .... poor George !

back later

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Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #167 on: Friday 24 August 07 04:01 BST (UK) »

Ah, but Deb, it has solved another part of the puzzle... namely what happened to the eldest daughter Ann!  Grin

If you remember, she was last seen in the 1871 census married to Francis BASSETT. She had had a son with him before their marriage in 1870 (William Francis) who had died by this census.

Then she seemed to have vanished. Now, thanks to her being the informant of her mother's death I found her in London in 1881 living with Bennett Carveth and a 3 year old daughter, Ellen.
In 1891 they were back in Truro.

In 1901 he is down as Benjamin Carveth with a new wife, Susan. Ellen is still living with them, in Truro.
There is a possible death of Ann CARVOLTH in Redruth RD, Jun 1897 aged 54, but I'm not sure Ann and Susan aren't possibly the same person!! Ann's age goes off in 1891 but she is recorded as a fishmonger, as is Susan in 1901, who's age tallies with Ann in 1881!!

FreeBMD isn't throwing up a marriage either, but taking her past record I'm not too surprised! The father of her 2 elder daughters, Emma & Annie, is reputed to be Joseph Burton. 

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« Reply #168 on: Friday 24 August 07 04:15 BST (UK) »

Hiya Julia

So glad something came of ordering the certs ..woohooo ...when I first got them I was wondering about the elder daughter who was the informant ...I know you had traced her marriage but I could not recall that surname at all ...I will look at the census tomorrow ... Late here ,had a busy day and a busy day tomorrow ,,,soon kids will be back at school and I can PLAY  Grin

keep us informed ....

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Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #169 on: Friday 24 August 07 08:57 BST (UK) »

both 1881 census


Ann Carveth 38 
Bennett Carveth 38 
Ellen Carveth born st pancras  age3 

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Ann Carveth 54 
Annie Carveth 15 
Bennett Carveth 57 
Chas. Carveth 19 
Ellen Carveth 17 born truro

just to add to the mystery


[mystery solved]father and son]

1871
 Ann Carveth 45 
Bennett Carveth 48 
Bennett Carveth 22 
Charles Carveth 9 
Elizabeth Carveth 20 
Ellen Carveth 7 
F Carveth 18 
John Carveth 16 
Mary A Carveth 5 

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death  Bennett Carveth  1824 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Truro Cornwall

sylvia
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i think this is a different family
1901 census


Benjamin Carveth 56 
Ellen Carveth 23                   Ellen Carveth born 1863 truro
Susan Carveth 57 



 
 
 


 
 
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« Reply #170 on: Friday 24 August 07 15:03 BST (UK) »

Hi Sylvia,

Yes, those are the ones I found too.

1881 St Pancras
Bennet CARVETH 38 Truro
Ann CARVETH 38 Truro
Ellen CARVETH 3 St Pancras

Bennet was born to Bennet & Ann reg Jun 1849

1891 Kenwyn
Bennet CARVETH 44 Truro
Ann CARVETH 41 Truro
Ellen CARVETH 13 St Pancras

1901 St Clement
Benjamin CARVETH 56 Truro
Susan CARVETH 57 Truro
Ellen CARVETH 23 London
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« Reply #171 on: Friday 24 August 07 15:10 BST (UK) »

There is a Susan CARVETH death in 1916 aged 74 which fits for Ann's birthdate too, in case she did just change her name - well, it is a family trait after all!!!  Roll Eyes

Ellen married later in 1901

The Bennet death in 1903 is that of the father Bennet Snr aged 79.
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« Reply #172 on: Saturday 25 August 07 17:27 BST (UK) »

Hi Everyone

Okay ... we have in 1871:

Francis Bassett head mar 28 butcher b Helstone
Ann wife mar 28 b Truro
Annie dau 7


In 1881:
we have Ann now married to Bennett Carveth living in St Pancras, with daughter Ellen

I was trying to find the death of Francis Bassett between 1871 and 1881... to no avail, then I found this in 1881:

Francis Bassett UNM lodger, BUTCHER 36 b Helstone
living in Calenick Street, Kenwyn,Truro

as you said , Julia , there doesn't seem to be a marriage for Ann Bassett and Bennett Carveth..... also why did he , Bennett, change his name to Benjamin? That is if we have the correct people ...... Ohhhh nooooo , not another mystery Undecided

I need to reread this all over again  Roll Eyes Grin

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« Reply #173 on: Saturday 25 August 07 19:16 BST (UK) »

If he just gave the name 'Ben' to the enumerator, they could have assumed he was a Benjamin, which is a much more common name?

Or it could be a different family, but the daughter Ellen seems to fit.
It is possible that Ann left again, and is living under who-knows-what name!

I think that's the correct Francis BASSETT.  If he just ran off and left her (or she left him!!),  it would explain the absence of a marriage to Bennet CARVETH!!

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« Reply #174 on: Sunday 26 August 07 02:35 BST (UK) »

hello again

i think this is what we look like at the momemt
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« Reply #175 on: Sunday 26 August 07 05:53 BST (UK) »


I HAVE PUT IT IN SEMBLANCE OF ORDER

Thomas Henry Carveth  1735
son Bennet
18 Aug 1777 in Ladock

birth
Bennet Carveth 1849 TRURO




1841
John Carveth 49
Hanna Carveth 48
Bennett Carveth 18
Elizabeth Carveth 10
William Carveth 15
Henry Carveth 5



1851
NameAge
Bennett Carveth27
Ann Carveth24
Bennett Carveth2
Elizabeth Carveth6 Mo


1861
Bennett Carveth 39
Ann Carveth 36
Bennett Carveth 12
Elizabeth Carveth 9
James Hy Carveth 7
John Carveth 5
Richard Carveth 9 Mo


1871
Bennett Carveth 48
Ann Carveth 45
Bennett Carveth 22
Elizabeth Carveth 20
F Carveth 18
Charles Carveth 9
John Carveth 16
Ellen Carveth 7
Mary A Carveth 5


1881
Bennett Carveth 57
Ann Carveth 54
Chas. Carveth19
Ellen Carveth17
Annie Carveth15


also 1881 THINK THIS IS SON
Ann Carveth 38
Bennett Carveth 38
Ellen Carveth 3


1891
Bennett Carveth44
Ann Carveth41
Ellen Carveth 13

1891 also
Bennett Carveth 68
Ann Carveth 64
Ellen Carveth 27

1901
Bennet Carveth 79


I THINK THIS IS A SEPERATE FAMILY
1901
Susan Carveth 57
Benjamin Carveth carpenter 56 Ellen Carveth     23
SYLVIA

Benjamin Carveth
Est Birth Year1858
Year of   Death  1903 AGE 45
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« Reply #176 on: Sunday 26 August 07 07:06 BST (UK) »

hiya OOPS  Grin
Thanks so much for that .... It is very late here ... 2am actually ...will get back to you soon ,,,,, thanks sooo much for taking an interest


deb Grin Cheesy

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« Reply #177 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 10:45 BST (UK) »

just snippits

Truro St Georges
24 Oct 1849
birth
Amelia SLACK
George Amelia
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Kenwyn
8 Dec 1823
marriage

Charles CARNARTON
Mary DUFF


William Venning witnesses
Thomas Heard
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Kenwyn
3 Oct 1824
babtism
Amelia CARNARTON
parents Charles  Mary
Charles Street
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death
Kenwyn
1 May 1848

Amelia SLACK
17m
Charles Street
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death
Erth, St.
11 Nov 1903

George SMITH
82
St Erth
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« Reply #178 on: Tuesday 04 September 07 18:46 BST (UK) »

Thank you Maidmarionoops!

I didn't have the burial of baby Amelia SLACK in my records!  Cool
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« Reply #179 on: Friday 18 April 08 04:43 BST (UK) »

Hello,

I'm interested in the DENNIS/CARNENTON families mentioned here from the DENNIS side of things.  My email is: 

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and my genealogical website is at:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ricksmith61/smith.html

Please look under DENNIS Kenwyn and Truro areas.

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