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okey
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Part 2 If you register with http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/which is where family history societies are putting further records (the Federation of Family History Societies website). You can look for free at the index for Carnarton of Cornish records placed there by the Cornwall FHS - burials, baptisms and censuses - which is how I know a Charles Carnarton married in Cornwall in 1823 (not on the IGI). If you pay a nominal fee you can see the outline of the actual record (the sort of detail you get on the IGI). If Margery Carnartons will move conveniently to Mary Carnartons life would be simpler. There is on the Cornwall marriage index a marriage of a Margery Carnarton in 1827. Parish Kenwyn Thomas EMIDY Date 16 Aug 1827 Wife Margery CARNARTON Now this is where it starts to get very very interesting. Emidy is surprise surprise an exceedingly rare surname. 1841 census HO107/147/14 Place: Powder-Cornwall Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Kenwyn Truro Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 60 Page: 7 Charles Street EMIDY Thomas M 35 Musician Cornwall EMIDY Margery F 40 Cornwall Page: 61/8 EMIDY Cecelia F 13 Cornwall EMIDY Francis M 10 Cornwall EMIDY Eliza F 7 Cornwall EMIDY Joseph M 6 Cornwall EMIDY Richard M 4 Cornwall EMIDY James M 2 Cornwall FRANKLING Thomas M 20 Shoemaker Cornwall 1851 census HO107 1910 folio 333 Charles Street Kenwyn Cornwall Thomas Emidy 45 Falmouth, Cornwall, Head Married Musician Margarey Emidy 50 Helstone, Cornwall, Wife Married Eliza Emidy 18 Truro, Cornwall, Daughter Dressmaker Joseph Emidy 16 Truro, Cornwall, Son Musician Richard Emidy 13 Truro, Cornwall, Son Musician James Emidy 12 Truro, Cornwall, Son Julia Emidy 5 Truro, Cornwall, Granddaughter 1861 census RG9 1559 folio 47 Charles Street Kenwyn Cornwall Thomas Emidy 55 Falmouth, Cornwall, Head Married Musician Margery Emidy 65 Helston, Cornwall, Wife Married From the IGI THOMAS HUTCHINS EMIDY Birth: 06 JUL 1805 Christening: 08 DEC 1805 Falmouth, Cornwall Father: JOSEPH EMIDY Mother: JENIFER I think it is at this point you really want to prove the Carnarton connection some how. Go to http://www.jonroseweb.com/f_projects_emidy.htmlI think you are really going to find it very very interesting!!!!!!! Regards Valda |
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deb usa
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Hi Rick and Okey
Hoe fab that we are all connected .
Rick I have not looked into the Dennis side of the family ... I would love to share with you. 
Okie...Welcome to Rootschat ...you will have a fabulous time here ....everyone is willing to share details and help with any research ....Please post all the details you have on your Eliza Emidy? How fantastic to be related to a famous Emidy !
deb 
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Valda
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There were four Eliza Emidys on the 1861 census.
Eliza aged 28 born Truro who was a servant in Falmouth (the Eliza of okey's post - the daughter of Thomas Hutchinson Emidy)
Eliza aged 43 born Truro who was staying with her sister in Everton Liverpool
Eliza aged 11 born Truro who was staying with her aunt in Everton Liverpool
same household for both these Elizas with Cecilia Emidy aged 45 as head of house, born Truro.
Eliza aged 34 born london who was the wife of James H Emidy aged 53 born Falmouth. They were in Norwich.
The two straightforward Eliza Emidy marriages on FreeBMD both in Liverpool
Marriages Jun 1866
EMIDY Eliza R W.Derby 8b 658
either
BUZZA Charles W. Derby 8b 658
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SPARROW Henry W. Derby 8b 658
Marriages Mar 1880
Emidy Elizabeth Mary W. Derby 8b 696
either
Langshaw Thomas W Derby 8b 696
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Wardle Edward W. Derby 8b 696
A possible for the Garcia family? Is this the family?
1901 census RG13 3420 folio 34
11 in 4 Court College Lane Liverpool
Mary A Garcia 33 Head Married Tailoress Trousers
Andrew Garcia 15 Son National telephone labourer
Robert Garcia 13 Son
Eliza Garcia 2 Daughter
all born Liverpool
1891 census RG12 2910 folio 12
4 ? 10 Court Gilbert Street Liverpool
Eliza Johnson 49 Wife Tailoress London
M A Garcia 23 Granddaughter Married Tailoress Liverpool
Andrew Garcia 5 Grandson Liverpool
Phillip Garcia 3 Grandson Liverpool
John Garcia 1 grandson Liverpool
Possible marriage - it would have to be a second marriage for Avelino (born Spain) who was an outfitter in Liverpool on the 1881 census. You would need a birth certificate of one of the children to be sure.
Marriages Sep 1885
Barrio Servanda Manchester 8d 409
Garcia Avelino Perez Manchester 8d 409
HAYES Mary Ann Manchester 8d 409
Jordan Thomas Manchester 8d 409
Death of his first wife and son
Deaths Dec 1883
Garcia Mary 30 Liverpool 8b 85
Garcia Severino 6 Liverpool 8b 86
Regards
Valda
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Hi
In 1881 Avelino Garcia b Spain is with his wife Mary aged 29 b Cheshire, Birkenhead. Son, Sevelina is 3 b Liverpool.
This is possibly Avelino's first marriage;
Avelino P Garcia and on the same page Mary Kelly Dec q 1876, Cheshire, Birkenhead.
I don't see a marriage of Eliza Emidy to a person named Paul.
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Valda
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Marriages Dec 1882
Gracia Peter Liverpool 8b 227
either
Guy Ellen Liverpool 8b 227
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PAUL Mary Anne Liverpool 8b 227
Can't see any possible census entries as Gracia and Mary Anne. The Mary Ann of the 1891 and 1901 censuses would have been 14 in 1882 legally able to marry but very young to do so.
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Valda
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Hi Valda
Good one! Although, as you say, rather young.
In 1881 I found a Mary A Paul , 13 , scholar, b Liverpool with her widowed mother , Eliza, 39, tailoress ....but born Portugal.  The occupation seems to fit but age and POB for Eliza is completely off.
will keep looking
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Hi Valda
I seem to be going around in circles !
In 1871 I see Charles Buzza mar 26 , manager in cotton factory, b truro. He is with wife Eliza R , 25 b Truro, and children William E, 3 and Susan M 2 months, both born Lancashire. They are in Bradford, Manchester.
This couple must refer to marriage you found previously.
"Marriages Jun 1866
EMIDY Eliza R W.Derby 8b 658
either
BUZZA Charles W. Derby 8b 658
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SPARROW Henry W. Derby 8b 658"
there is also this family in Lancs in 1891:
John Buzza warehouseman b Truro with wife Cecelia (nee Emidy) 42, b Liverpool. They have children Joseph Emidy Buzza 14 and John W 5. Also staying with them is Maria J Emidy, sister-in-law, 44 b Truro.
I am still trying to find Eliza Emidy b c 1834 and her marriage to Mr. Paul/l
The Eliza, from Portugal seems to be with husband Robert in 1871 ...this time she is born Liverpool. mary Ann Paul , dau is 3 b Liverpool
I just can't seem to sort it out right now ...
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middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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hi
i have found children that george and amelia slack had on the 1951 census
Amelia Slack 35
Amelia Slack 2
Ann Slack 9
George Slack 40
William Slack 7
don't know whether that is any help but....
good luck
dee
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hello all, we recently chanced across this thread whilst doing a search for the Carnartons. We have Mary Jane Carnarton born 1827, with parents Benjamin and Mary. However some pages back we had mention of the problem that we have been having for some time, and that is if Benjamin is in fact Abednego, why the name change. Also why did he go from butcher to waterman. Also Mary Jane married on the 4/jul/1850 to a mariner called William Ivey. PS Love this thread.
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Hi Paulaandtye
welcome to Rootschat ...it is a fabulous place to get help when searching for long gone rellies.
Will have to have a reread , as I have not visited this thread in a while...glad you loved it!!!!!
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Deb ... I just found this ! Fascinating ... and haven't you got a huge amount of info now !
The bit about Emidy was very interesting ...
Keep searching !
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Hi Lydart
i am just so sad that "Okey" the Emidy relation did not respond ...hopefully with this thread coming 'alive' again , she/he will respond!
It's a fascinating thread although, I must admit, in the 'early' days Valda and JAp had me lost ...I had no idea how to do research 
deb
PS lydart ...still wish I had a horse accident ...
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Wow Deb...I read the whole thread....interesting stuff...your first "scavenger hunt" sort of.....
mab
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