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Topic: Baptism of Emily REEVES/Inkberrow/ 1845 (Read 416 times)
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Puffcat
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Emily Sarah Reeves was baptised 7/12/1845 daughter of John and Susannah Reeves
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vivienpinewood
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I have details of Emily Reeves if you need to know more as she is on my tree.She was the daughter of John Allen Reeves 1820-1902 b Rous Lench, and Susannah Edkins 1809-1886 of Luddington Warwickshire.
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Jamie H
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Yes, please! I would like more information. My connection with Emily REEVES is that she was in the household of Thomas WILKS at the 1861 census, as follows.
1861 Census. Hallow Village
Thomas WILKS H M 34 plumber glazier & painter empl. 1 man & 1 boy Worc. Grimley
Elizabeth WILKS W M 26 Milliner & Dressmaker Worc. Hallow
Mark WILKS S 4 Scholar Worcs. Hallow
Emily WILKS D 3 Worc. Hallow
Emily REEVES App. U 16 Milliner & dressmaker, Worcs. Inkberrow
John CLARKE App U 14 glazier and Painter Worcs. Witley
Also, I have Joseph WILKS, Thomas WILKS’ grandfather, marrying Anne REEVES at Winchcombe, Gloucs. on 4th Dec. 1794, and it seems likely that Emily REEVES is connected to this Anne REEVES in some way.
I would also like to know if this REEVES family were Gypsies,since REEVES is a name used by Gypsies in some parts of England. Any census results you have for them, giving occupations, could be a clue.
Also, the EDKINS family – I think EDKINS is a Romany name too.
I’d be grateful for any light you can throw on this.
Thanks,
Jamie H
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TUDGEY; STEVENS (Surrey); SMITH (Surrey, Essex, Norfolk); WILKS (Worcs); YOUNG (Worcs); COWLEY (Ireland, Surrey); GROVE (Hampshire); REEVES (Gloucs. Worcs.); RETFORD (Hampshire, Surrey); FAIRBROTHER (Kent); WEBB (Surrey, Bucks); WILLIAMS (Pembrokeshire). Nicol (Scotland);DOLLOWAY (Kent); BOX (Worcs).
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vivienpinewood
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Emilys details as follows.
1851 census- in Inkberrow at Thorn(e) cottage with parents John and Susannah Reeves. Her father was a labourer at Thorne Farm, and the cottage was and still is part of the farm estate. Living in the farmhouse itself was her Aunt Ann, and cousin Thomas Reeves.
1861 census- as previously described.
* In 1868 at Inkberrow Emily married Henry Thomas Carroll (b 1840 Ombersley) She had already given birth to Henry William Carroll Reeves in 1868 (given surname of Reeves at christening).
1871 census- Henry Carroll has died, and by now Emily has already re-married to inn keeper Charles Miles (b 1848 Leigh), and with her son Henry Carroll aged 3 (Reeves name now dropped) living in Leigh, Worcs.
1881 census- Emily with JAMES Miles (same one as Charles or has she re-married perhaps his brother?), and with son William Henry Miles (name change again) aged 13 she is housekeeper at 1 Little Argyll St, St James, London.
1891 census- Emily now aged 45 wife of caretaker James Miles at 26/27 Argyll St, St James, Westminster.
Son Henry William/William Henry..now using name William had married in1890 Ann Edwards (b1870 Newcastle), and in this census they were living in Newcastle with daughter Emma Ann b 1891.
1901 census- Emily now a widow, a domestic housekeeper, living in Church Rd Croydon.
No record can be found of her son or daughter in law, and her granddaughter Emma is living with her Miles grandparents.
Am very interested in the possible Reeves connection through Ann who was married in Winchcombe. Emilys grandfather John Reeves 1787 and his siblings were born of John and Margaret Reeves in Snowshill, Gloucestershire, which is not too far away from there, so it is quite possible that your Ann could have been related, but a bit of a challenge to prove!
I have no knowledge of Romany connections! That is a totally new one! Would be interested in any progression you make after digesting all this.
Hope this is of some help,
Vivien.
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Jamie H
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Thanks Vivien. A lot of information about Emily to digest! I've been trying to work out a possible connection between her,say, grandparents and my Anne REEVE. And getting myself tied up in knots. For what it's worth, here is what I've been noticing. Perhaps there's something in all the bits and pieces which might trigger an "Aha!! That's it!" 
Thank you, Vivien, for all that information. I suppose that any connection between Emily’s parents and grandparents to my Anne REEVE could have been through her g’father John REEVE (who married Margaret) and the James REEVES who married Ann BOX?
Have you any BOXses, YOUNGs or WILKses in your tree? Mine all seem to be mixed up with REEVES as well!
Who was Emily’s Aunt Ann? You said : "Living in the farmhouse itself was her Aunt Ann, and cousin Thomas Reeves."
And, do you know who the Margaret was, who married John REEVES – the Snowshill REEVES?
The Gypsy connection I’m wondering about is because there is dark colouring in our family, which I think has come via the WILKS line (which includes REEVES) and which could be Indian or African or ….. J so I’m always looking for any clues.
I don’t know if the following is of any use in suggesting where our connection via Emily might have come from:
John YOUNG m. Mary REEVES 28 Jun 1847 Wick nr Pershore, Worcs. and,
James REEVES m. Ann BOX 17 Sep. 1775, Martley, Worcs.
Anne REEVE (bap 15 Nov. 1778 in Martley, Worcs. & married to Joseph WILKS 4 Dec 1794 at Winchcombe, Gloucs.) – I have her as the daughter of James REEVES and Ann BOX I think I deduced this because of the dates, and because of the name BOX, which is in my family line.
I also have:-
Worcester St Martins Marriages Register p. 129, no. 258
1843 Nov 20 John REEVES 25 bachelor, Bailiff, Pheasant St. son of John REEVES, Bailiff to Susannah EDKINS, 29 Spinster, Dress Maker, Pheasant St., daughter of William EDKINS, victualler, by banns. Witnesses: George JOHNSON and Ann REEVES.
Can you help me work out which family this is? It’s the 1841 census which Sue of RootsChat sent me:
John Reeve 51 Ag. Lab. - N
Sarah Reeve 45 - Y
*John Reeve 20 Ag. Lab. - Y
William Reeve 14 Ag. Lab. - Y
Susanna Reeve - 11 - Y
Rouse Lench
HO107/1202 folio 4 page 6
*[is this the John REEVE who married Susannah EDKINS? It seems from the census that his parents were John REEVE and Sarah (someone). Since Emily was "Emily Sarah" it seems she was named for her grandmother. I wonder who Sarah was.
And,
I’ve just looked up John Allen REEVES, Emily’s father – bapt. 07 JUL 1816 Rous Lench, Worcester, England, on the IGI and it gives, as his parents (i.e. Emily’s grandparents) John REEVES and Sarah – so it was her great-grandfather who was John REEVES married to Margaret (someone).
The IGI gives the following children of a John REEVES & Sarah (presumably the same John and Sarah in each case) These would be the aunts and uncles of Emily, wouldn’t they?
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Do you think that the Sarah who married John Allen REEVES father John, was Sarah Allen? Hence their son was given the middle name "Allen"?
Jamie
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TUDGEY; STEVENS (Surrey); SMITH (Surrey, Essex, Norfolk); WILKS (Worcs); YOUNG (Worcs); COWLEY (Ireland, Surrey); GROVE (Hampshire); REEVES (Gloucs. Worcs.); RETFORD (Hampshire, Surrey); FAIRBROTHER (Kent); WEBB (Surrey, Bucks); WILLIAMS (Pembrokeshire). Nicol (Scotland);DOLLOWAY (Kent); BOX (Worcs).
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Hi Jamie,
No Boxes, Youngs or Wilkes in my tree.
The Reeves family goes like this:
John Reeves 1787 of Snowshill m Sarah Hemming 1792-1866 of Church/Rous Lench. issue 10.
1 George 1812-1875 b Putley, Herefordshire m Sarah Harris 1813-98 issue 8
(my line)
2 William 1814-1816
3 Ann 1816-1898 (servant at Thorn farm) m 1860 Anthony Mace 1816-1873
m 2. Thomas Davis 1810-1886
no issue
4 Thomas 1818
5 John Allen 1820-1902m Susannah Edkins 1809-1886 issue 1 Emily 1845
6 Elizabeth 1823
7 Joseph 1825 m Sarah....1826 issue 5
8 William 1828 m Harriet Knight 1830 issue 9
9 Susannah 1830 m Charles Clark 1830 issue 3 (+ 1 illegit)
10 Hemming 1833
all b Rous Lench.
Emilys cousin Thomas Reeves who lived and worked at Thorn Farm was one of the 8 children of George and Sarah Reeves. His dates are 1838-1875.
I have no idea of the origin of Margaret who married into the Reeves of Snowshill.
I had no record of a marriage of John and Susannah Reeves, but obviously the one you wrote of is correct as I had her maiden name from other sources and already knew of Ann Reeves the witness as being a close family member.
The 1841 census entry with John, William and Susannah is our same family which you will now see fits in with the family details above.
I think any further back connection would have been through siblings of the John and Margaret line as he was about the date 1760 or earlier.
Hope this helps...your turn!
Vivien.
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vivienpinewood
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Ann Reeves as witness would probably have been the 1816 sister of John b in Rous Lench.Your earlier Ann Reeves would have been much older and maybe even dead by this time.
The children of Susannah and Charles Clark were Sarah 1862, Bertha 1864, and George 1865 all b Rous Lench. The illegit. son was Joseph Reeves b 1853 R. Lench. It doesn't really help you with the John Clark you have in the 1861, but still a possibility of a relationship, although a common enough name.
Hope this is of some help,
Vivien.
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Never mind. Thank you for the extra info. If I only knew where Anne (REEVES) WILKS was born.