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Patsy Beech
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Hi Everyone,
Could anyone shed some light on why I can't find 128a Fowler Street, on the census returns for 1891 or 1901?
This is pure curiosity as between 1948 & 1963 I lived there (my dad did not move out until 1971) and I wondered who the previous occupants had been. I know there must have been people living above the shops, and in the basement, because there was evidence of fireplaces and old mangles especially down in the basement. It was a very strange feeling down there because you could only see the feet of people walking down the street!
In 1948 one shops was a fireplace shop and the other was a shoe shop, but Hector Grabhams took the shoe shop over as a wallpaper & paint shop, and in 1960 turned the two into one large paint & paper shop. This meant our staircase which was in between the shops had to be moved to the righthand side which also meant we lost access to the basement. The last time I saw inside the basement was from the street looking down a big hole which had been our porch. All those lovely Victorian tiles had been smashed and allowed to fall into the basement - where I expect they are still lying!
Now back to the census search - The buildings are clearly shown on an ordnance survey map of 1895, and I can find houses listed in Charlotte Street & Mount Terrace which along with Fowler Street form a triangle - but nothing listed for those buildings in Fowler Street. Even if they were unoccupied would that not have been recorded on the census return? The shops in Green Street have been recorded even though no one is listed as living there.
Thanks for reading this, and I have my fingers crossed someone has an answer to satisfy my curiosity.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Helen K
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Hi Patsy
Not much positive news I'm afraid!
These are references for Fowler Street from an 1891 South Shields street index - I've looked at those pages and not found your 128a.
RG12/4155
Folio 12-13 Fowler Street Numbers 9, 68 & 70, 66, 62 Cumberland House, 56, 46, 36, 32, 28, 24, 6.
Folio 45 Fowler Street Numbers 23-59 (includes St Thomas Church and 33-39 are shops, but unoccupied).
Folio 85-86 Fowler Street Numbers 68 & 65
If you want any further details, such as Streets surrounding these numbers, just let me know.
Regards
Helen K
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Patsy Beech
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Hi Helen & Jennifer,
Thank you both for having a search and your suggestions.
I had given some thought as to whether the whole block might have been called 'something buildings' instead of Fowler Street, but I have not found anything that would give a hint.
The shops below our flat were number 126 & 128 which is why we had a small 'a' added to our address, but the numbers seem to run in sequence from the bottom of Fowler Street (down by King Street & Ocean Road).
About two years ago I called into the shop (it was a video shop at that time) and unfortunately I made the young girl assistant feel uncomfortable at the thought the ground beneath her feet was not solid - if she see this I am sorry and hope she is OK now. I found it very strange that there was no access to the flat above as all staircases have been removed. What a waste of a large flat!
When we lived there back in the 50's & 60's on New Years Eve our front door was always open for anyone to drop in, and most people did after gathering around the Christmas Tree outside the Town Hall. We had no idea who most of them were but we all had a great time. How times change!
Thanks again for your help, and I'll keep looking - there must be something somewhere!
Patsy
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Patsy Beech
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Dear Jennifer,
I will certainly keep the idea of renumbering as a strong possibility.
I suppose previous occupants must have paid rates - my Mam & Dad did, 14/- (70p) per week rent plus 1 penny rates - those were the days - so would there be any records kept and where could I find them? Anyone got any suggestions?
Thank you for your help and interest.
Patsy
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South #Shields local studies library have poll books for at least the early 20th century containing the names first of males over 21 eligible to vote and then all adults eligible to vote. My brother and I used them to track where our father and his family lived until 1945.
Jan
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Kelly's Durham directory 1914 - the highest house number was 59 and a half!
There were obviously some buildings that were pretty large - or well used! No. 20 for instance had at least five businesses operating from it. Mills and Co were in Standard Buildings; Wood and Son were in Victoria Buildings, as was Hirschmann's pianoforte warehouse. There are several businesses with no number given: Hanlon's grocers,Brown's fruiterers, and Caxton's Shoe Co as examples. Some obviously important buildings are also not given a number: the YMCA, North Eastern Bank chambers, and the Victoria Assembly Hall.
You might be interested to visit these:
This website has a photo of an old bus on Fowler St.
http://www.southshields-sanddancers.co.uk/old_photos/old_trolley_bus.htm
This has a photo of the Stag's Head
http://www.south-shields-online.info/POSS/stagshead/index.htm
This one for lots of photos of old South Shields http://website.lineone.net/~d.ord/The%20Market.htm
Jan
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Patsy Beech
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Dear Jan & Jennifer,
Thank you for all the suggestions - I feel a few letters coming on or a quick trip on 'Squeezie Jet'.
I love looking at the Sanddancers website, and have a few old photographs that my Dad took of the Mayor's Parade and the Town Hall from our front door and windows which I keep meaning to send them - the intensions are good! My Mam was a messenger for the fire brigade during the war and afterwards was a member of the auxiliary fire service so she used to take part in the parades.
Back in 2004 I came across a website with pictures of South Shields, one of which was Roberts Television shop on the corner of Fowler Street and Mount Terrace, but do you think I can find the website again!!!!! The reference on the bottom of the page was an http address which continued a5.cpimg.com/image the reason why I am trying to contact them is they have given a date of 1937 for the photo, but it was 1953. The television shop is all decorated for the Coronation, and in 1937 there were not many televisions about! Also in the picture and next door to Roberts was Duncan's Grocers, and my memories in there are they used to have a large slab of butter which they took a lump off and 'patted' it into shape before wrapping it - none of this pre-packed stuff!
Going back to 1953 we had so many people sitting on our balcony at 128a it was amazing we did not fall through into the shops below! Why we were all out there? Watching the Queen's visit. The official film ends as she crosses the Tyne Bridge, but no she continued on down to Shields and visited the Town Hall. I think the TV camera panned around and commented on people watching from every conceivable vantage point.
Enough reminiscence for now before I bore you all.
Thanks again.
Patsy
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