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Topic: Samuel Parker - Swansea BMD/1841/51 look-up. (Read 586 times)
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Phil Goater
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I am looking for information on Samuel Parker who features in the 1861 census as a 33 year old gardener living with his wife Louisa and three young children in Swansea (where he was born). There is no sign of the family in 1871 except for the eldest girl. When she married in 1874 her father had already died.
Any help much appreciated.
Phil
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Phil Goater
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Thank you badgirl!
I guess I need to supply the rest of my information!
The Louisa who died in 1878 would be Samuel's wife, I thought perhaps she'd gone to Ireland(she was born in Limerick) with the two younger children or re-married.
The Louisa who married in 1874 is their eldest daughter - I have the certificate.
The other two children were Thomas (age3 in 1861) and Ann(1 in 1861). There may have been more after them.
Samuel must have died between 1861 and 1874.
If Louisa died in Swansea in 1878 where was she in 1871?
Still a lot of questions!
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Keziahemm
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Hi Phil,
Here they are in 1851
Samuel Parker Head Mar 25 Gentleman servant Glamorganshire Swansea
Louisa Parker Wife Mar 20 - Limerick Ireland
John Parker Brother 9 Scholar Glamorganshire Swansea
Newcastle, Bridgend
HO107/2461 folio 686 page 30
Will have a look at 1841
Susan 
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Keziahemm
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and 1841
Thomas Parker 37 Gardner Y
Mary Ann Parker 37 Y
Samuel Parker 15 Lab Y
Margreat Parker 13 Y
Mary Ann Parker 10 Y
Maria Parker 7 Y
Sarah Parker 5 Y
William Parker 1 Y
Tramor, Swansea Lower
HO107/1424 folio 7 page 7
Susan
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Phil Goater
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Many thanks Susan - thats great!
I'd just lined up Thomas and 'Marianne 'as potential parents of Samuel and you have confirmed it and provided a whole host of new relatives!
Louisa junior is given as being born in Bridgend in the 1881 census so that is explained in the 1851 one.
Any chance of finding Samuel's marriage and the maiden name of Louisa senior?
Phil
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Keziahemm
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Hi Phil,
Sorry I haven't access to parish records. Have you tried the BMD indexes which, at the moment, are free to search on Ancestry?
Susan
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Phil Goater
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Thanks Susan for the advice.
I've discovered Louisa Kirchner on the same page on Free BMD as Samuel in an 1848 marriage that fits. Could you check the Swansea 1841 census for any Kirchner families?
Incidentally the Louisa recorded as dying in 1878 wasn't her as the record gives a birth date circa 1853. It's still a mystery as to what happened to the rest of Louisa (junior)'s family after 1861.
Regards,
Phil
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Keziahemm
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Hi Phil,
No Kirchner's in Wales 1841, have searched all variants of name.
Susan
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Cas (stallc)
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Here is a possible marriage for Sam's parents.
Thomas Parker, Oystermouth, married Mary Ann Rosser, from Swansea on 26 March 1826 in Oystermouth Parish.
Cas
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDavies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn - Ireland |
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Phil Goater
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Thank you Susan and Cas.
I checked the LDS 1881 census and found a Benjamin Kirchner aged 60 born Ireland living in Birmingham so he could be a relation. It proves there were Kirchner's in Ireland who came to the mainland at that time.
With regard to Thomas's wedding what can I say? It seems a good fit but if the LDS information that Samuel was christened on 23/7/1826 at Oystermouth is correct then it must have been a large wedding dress!!!
Thanks again,
Phil
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Cell
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but if the LDS information that Samuel was christened on 23/7/1826 at Oystermouth is correct then it must have been a large wedding dress!!!
Thanks again,
Phil
Hi,
I can confirm that the dates you have from the LDS for a Samuel who was christened in Oystermouth is correct. I have a print out from the archives in Swansea of the christenings at All Saints church Oystermouth for all Parkers during that time ( I'm researching Parker's of mumbles/Oystermouth) .
Samuel parker - mother's name MariAnn, father Thomas ,date - 23rd July 1826
The parish records also gives a bit more information than the LDS info - the father - Thomas's occupation was Lab and the family's address at the time was in Norton.
There is also this one in the church records too:
Margaret Ann christened 4th may 1828. It's the same details as it says for Samuel except for the address they were living at - father's name Thomas , occupation Lab, Mother's name MaryAnn ( but spelled with a y this time), address at the time - Sketty.
You will need to check the original parish records in the archives to check the spelling for MariAnn
There are only eight Parker christenings during this period of time (1700's to early 1900's) at oystermouth All saints church , six of them are from the family I'm researching , the other two , who are not related to mine are Samuel and Margaret Parker with father Thomas and mother MariAnn.
I Hope that helps
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Phil Goater
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Thank you Cell!
I can now turn my attention to who may have wielded the shotgun!
I'm interested to note that there is no record of Thomas's christening as the report (above) of his wedding states 'Thomas Parker Oystermouth'. Margaret's christening clearly tallies with the census information.
I'm still in the dark with regard to what happened to Samuel and Louisa and the two younger children who feature in the 1861 census and would be very interested to find out more (- but I am delighted with the progress to date!)
Regards,
Phil
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