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Topic: Samuel Parker - Swansea BMD/1841/51 look-up. (Read 702 times)
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Cas (stallc)
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This is the only other marriage on the disc that matches name/area. There are some in Swansea area. Do not know if related, but my help your search in parish records. Possible ref for Tom's parents
John Parker Oystermouth, married Margaret Morgan Oystermouth on 27 Oct 1795 at Oystermouth parish.
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDavies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn - Ireland |
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Phil Goater
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Thanks Cas, the date certainly looks good.
Can Cell add ( or subtract!) anything on this?
It looks very promising.
Phil
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Cell
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This is the only other marriage on the disc that matches name/area. There are some in Swansea area. Do not know if related, but my help your search in parish records. Possible ref for Tom's parents
John Parker Oystermouth, married Margaret Morgan Oystermouth on 27 Oct 1795 at Oystermouth parish.
Cas
you're going into my tree now  ( well my hubby's tree) - John Parker and Mary Morgan are my hubby's G,G. G. G grandparents
John parker 1770 and Mary Morgan1776 ( her parents David Morgan1749 and Margaret 1753) had a son William parker 1802 ( one of their brothers was named Thomas who was born around about 1804) who married Elizabeth Morgan ( William did not Thomas) - another Morgan, just to confuse matters more lol) , who then had a son John parker 1838 (he had only one sister Elizabeth, william the father died just inbetween 1838 and 41,( I guess it was at sea, I can't find a death at all , he was mariner) when the children were toddlers. The mother never remarried again - This John parker was also a mariner like his father William , and also served time on the Mumbles life boats, lived all his life in Mumbles/oystermouth ( as did his next generation, my mum -in-law is still living there today in her father's (fred's) old house which was passed down to her) - () married Catherine ( kate for short) Rogers - had a daughter Kate (Catherine) Parker ( I have an old photo of kate parker as an old lady) who married George Williams , who had a son Fred Williams ( hubby's granddad)
confused yet?
Parker is a Devon name, they used to come across the water from Illfracombe into Gower, back and fore , mariners mostly. It is not an old Welsh, or Gower name. It's very "common" in Devon. There are millions of them over there . You may find that Your (phil's ) parker could very well go back into Devon at some point in time , I know my above husband's lot do . Then it's a nightmare to trace them because of the amount of people with a Parker name in Devon - it's just a short boat ride over them from Oystermouth. You can actually see Devon on a clear day from certain points in Gower.
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Phil Goater
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Thank you Cell,
I take it that Thomas c.1803 isn't as far as you know, the son of John and Mary.
Your discourse on the origin of the Parkers is interesting. I have also had the pleasure of viewing Devon from the Gower and hope to do so again before too long! This is my wife's maternal line I am investigating. On her Dad's side I've already got a Parker from the Yeovil area. In my own tree my maternal grandmother was a Parker from Wells, Somerset so there could be ancestors in common. However the name, due to it's very nature, must have a variety of unconnected roots.
My immediate concern is to find Thomas's parents. The information that's been provided from the 1841 census doesn't specify his place of birth so I'm hoping someone might kindly find him in the 1851 census.
Regards,
Phil
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Cell
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Thank you Cell,
I take it that Thomas c.1803 isn't as far as you know, the son of John and Mary.
Your discourse on the origin of the Parkers is interesting. I have also had the pleasure of viewing Devon from the Gower and hope to do so again before too long! This is my wife's maternal line I am investigating. On her Dad's side I've already got a Parker from the Yeovil area. In my own tree my maternal grandmother was a Parker from Wells, Somerset so there could be ancestors in common. However the name, due to it's very nature, must have a variety of unconnected roots.
My immediate concern is to find Thomas's parents. The information that's been provided from the 1841 census doesn't specify his place of birth so I'm hoping someone might kindly find him in the 1851 census.
Regards,
Phil
As far as I know a Thomas is their son, I haven't traced what happened to Williams siblings, and I don't think my hubby has either as far as I can see.
I'll look at the 51 census for you if nobody else can - but perhaps someone else can do it for you ( I'm really rushed for time here, and trying to type this quickly - I have a young baby that's needs attending to, so I'm just grabbing five minutes here and there on the computer at the moment)
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Cell
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P.s ,
I've just tried to attach a scan for you of the christenings from all Saint's church, but there doesn't seem to be an attach image box on messages on this board - so I'll put it on the main Glamorgan board bit for you - it will be titled "Parker christenings"
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Keziahemm
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Hi Phil/Cell (Cell you get that baby attended to  )
As yet haven't found Thomas or Mary Ann in 1851, looked for William thought he may be easier  Noooo....
Did find
Ann Parker Head Widow 45 Greengrocer Glamorganshire Swansea
Maria Parker Daur. U 17 Servant Glamorganshire Mumbles
Sarah Parker Daur. U 15 Servant Glamorganshire Mumbles
Jane Parker Daur. U 7 Scholar Glamorganshire Mumbles
Clarence St., Swansea
HO107/2466 folio 189 page 47
Bit of a long shot but the ages of the two daughters fits with 1841. Will have another look tomorrow with fresh eyes, unless someone beats me to it
Susan
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Cas (stallc)
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I have not been able to find a match for Thomas or Mary Ann in the 1851.
The only match for some of the children is below. Not sure if it is the right family
HO107/2466 Folio 189 Pg 47
Swansea
Address - Rees? County, Clarence Street, Swansea
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Check Freebmd for a possible death for Thomas and William? The older girls are prob in service or married. There is another son 'John' with brother Samuel above.
Hope this helps, unless anyone else can add.
Cas
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDavies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn - Ireland |
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Phil Goater
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Thank you Susan and Cas for stepping into the breach!
It seems likely that you found the family. I have found the record of the death of a Thomas in Swansea in the December quarter of 1843 and of a William in the June quater of 1842. That would explain their absence.
Still looking for the demise of Thomas's son Samuel and wife Louisa together with any record of their children Thomas and Ann.
Regards,
Phil
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Radfordda
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you're going into my tree now ( well my hubby's tree) - John Parker and Mary Morgan are my hubby's G,G. G. G grandparents John parker 1770 and Mary Morgan1776 ( her parents David Morgan1749 and Margaret 1753) had a son William parker 1802 ( one of their brothers was named Thomas who was born around about 1804) who married Elizabeth Morgan ( William did not Thomas) - another Morgan, just to confuse matters more lol) , who then had a son John parker 1838 (he had only one sister Elizabeth, william the father died just inbetween 1838 and 41,( I guess it was at sea, I can't find a death at all , he was mariner) when the children were toddlers. The mother never remarried again - This John parker was also a mariner like his father William , and also served time on the Mumbles life boats, lived all his life in Mumbles/oystermouth ( as did his next generation, my mum -in-law is still living there today in her father's (fred's) old house which was passed down to her) - () married Catherine ( kate for short) Rogers - had a daughter Kate (Catherine) Parker ( I have an old photo of kate parker as an old lady) who married George Williams , who had a son Fred Williams ( hubby's granddad) confused yet?
This is a message for Cell. Is there a way we can make contact? My email address is XXX I have a feeling, if I have done my tree correct, that our families are linked. Kate Parker and George Williams would have been the parents of my Grandmother (My Dads Mother),Georgina Williams. By reading above it looks like it could be. Fred Williams was the younger brother of Georgina? There was also 6 other sisters. From reading above it seems it could be, and I would presume your mother in law is my dads cousin. I have only just started doing my Tree and have spent most of the time on my Grandads side so dont have much info on this side. Apart from The names of George Williams and Kate Parker children which I got from the 1911 census. If I have this right, It would be great if you can help me get more information about this side, especially if you have any photos of George and Kate.
Thanks
Alan
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Radfordda
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Just sent you a private message,
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Cell
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Hi '
I've only just read the above, yes if your grandmother is Georgina.
Your dad is my mother in law's 1st cousin.
I've just Pm'd you some info/questions.
Kind regards
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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