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Re: stillborns
« Reply #15 on: Monday 08 October 07 10:02 BST (UK) »

Stillbirth and registration is dependant upon the length of gestation also.

My son Geoffrey was stillborn in 1985 at 27 weeks and at that stage 28 wks was the legal viable minimum and so he was not registered.  Now, i think it is 22 weeks?

This may help someone also http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070521172514AA3Zhun

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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 09 October 07 17:37 BST (UK) »


There have been other discussions about stillbirths, which may be useful:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,11543.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,235198.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,241899.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,161334.0.html
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« Reply #17 on: Monday 29 October 07 19:35 GMT (UK) »

My twin son was stillborn in 1965. He was registered at the time.  If you go to the Registrars Office, they do keep a record of stillbirths but only the next of kin can have a copy.  These records are not in the public domain but are available to the next of kin.

My son was buried in his own coffin at the foot of someone else who was being buried.  If you look into the cemetery records, these are recorded.

If you know the date of the birth/death, it is possible to find both registeration certificate and the burial place.

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Re: stillborns
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 05 January 08 21:05 GMT (UK) »

HI ALL, With reply to everyone about Stillborns, I recently had a conversation with an undertaker of many years standing ,and I asked about this subject and what he told me didnt exactly shock me but more of sympathy for the poor families that it happened to. What normally happened was a member of the household usually a child would go to the cemetary with the mite in a shoebox or something similar and ask the gravedigger to bury the mite and it would be put into a grave already prepared for someone after the buriel of that person .This often happened to the rich as well as the poor but more often to the poor and if there wasnt a buriel soon to bwe taking place it would be put into a chapel of rest until the day . Sad isnt it
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Re: stillborns
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 26 January 08 18:26 GMT (UK) »

I had a stillborn baby in 1965.  He was registered with the local registrar and I was given a certificate. 

If you go to the Registrars Office closest to the hospital, give them the date, parents names, etc., if you are a sibling, you should be able to get a certificate.

My baby was registered and the hospital said they would see to his body but we insisted that he was buried so he went in with someone else.  His coffin was placed in the grave at the foot of the lady he went in with.  We did have to pay the undertaker.

Sometimes the hospital use the babies for research but there should be some record.  It is worth checking with the hospital.

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 26 January 08 18:36 GMT (UK) »

I may be reapesting things here:~

some infants were placed with other deceased people no relation unless of course there happend to be a dead relation around at the time, to give thema safe journey.

Stillbirths were registerd within 42 days and no later that three months at the hospital or district register office. certified copies of registartions of stillbirths from 1 July 1927 can be issued only to parents with the Registrar Genreals permission or if they are both dead to the siblings ofa stillborn child. There are no indexes available to the public so you will ned to write or phone the General register Office for an application form. You will need to provide proof fo your relationship to the child and deaths of your parents if appropriate.

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 26 January 08 18:44 GMT (UK) »

The only way I discovered two stillbirths was via a local authority website of burial records.
They had never been spoken about in the family. Too painful I guess.
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Re: stillborns
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 26 January 08 19:07 GMT (UK) »

My sister had a stillborn (full term) baby girl in August 1976. She was asked if she wanted to see her, but was too upset at the time, and later regretted that decision. She was told the hospital would "take care of things", and she never ever knew what happened to that childs body.Now, that childs older sister, my niece, would like to find out. Anyone have any idea who to ask? The hosital where the birth took place has been demolished.
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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 26 January 08 19:13 GMT (UK) »

Try the Registrars Office nearest the hospital.  As this baby was full term they would have to have registered the child.

There will be a certificate for it and a sibling can get the certificate.

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Re: stillborns
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 26 January 08 19:18 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Pauline, I will tell my niece.
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There will be a certificate for it and a sibling can get the certificate.

Not unless the parents are dead.  I have already tried to get a cert for my full term stillborn sister, but as my parents are alive it's not possible Sad
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Re: stillborns
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 27 January 08 08:50 GMT (UK) »

Both my sister and her husband have passed away, so my niece should be ok to get the certificate in that case.
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There will be a certificate for it and a sibling can get the certificate.

Not unless the parents are dead.  I have already tried to get a cert for my full term stillborn sister, but as my parents are alive it's not possible Sad

unless of course the parents apply
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« Reply #28 on: Monday 28 January 08 21:32 GMT (UK) »

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unless of course the parents apply

That's where my problem is............my parents do not mention their stillborn daughter, in fact I was only told about her when I was 20.  I'm 40 now and she has never been mentioned since.

I can't ask to see any of their paperwork - I dare not Cry Sad really Cry
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 12 June 08 17:11 BST (UK) »

Just thought that I would add something on here that may help other researchers with stillborns. I know it is a touchy subject with older parents. I have also had a stillbirth, so I know what it is like talking about it. Anyway, my mum had lost stillborn twins in 1962, they were taken away from her and she did not know where they were buried. Here is what I did. I telephoned the New Womens Hospital here in Liverpool as the old Liverpool maternity closed. They were very helpfull. As they didn't know what really happened back then, they told me to phone a local undertakers and asked where stillborns would of been buried at that time. After having no luck with them, I telephoned Liverpool City Council and they did a search. They informed me that they where buried in Toxteth Cemetery and gave me the plot number. Sadly, my mum had passed away by this time, so wasn't here when I went to pay my respects. The procedure was that if the hospital buried the infant, they went into a paupers grave, so another eleven babies are in the same plot. Very sad, but I get comfort knowing that they are not alone. Lynn
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