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can some one help me please
i am trying to find the marriage of thomas allen who married martha? ( surname unknown at this stage)
they had 4 children
mary allen born 4 july 1810 coulsdon bapt 5 august 1810 coulsdon
benjamin allen bapt 21 march 1813 farleigh
thomas allen bapt 8 feb 1818 catterham
rachael allen bapt 21 april 1822 chelsham
thomas and martha would have been born a1790 married a1809
can anyone help me with this please i know benjamin is my great x 3 grandfather and his details are correct just need to confirm his parents and marrriage if anyone can do parish lookup i'd be very grateful i live in australia and im unable to do this myself
thanking you debra xxx
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Little Nell
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This is only a possibility and this needs to be investigated further:
Thomas Allen (otp) m Martha Campbell Robinson of St James Camberwell by Licence 28 January 1806 Clapham
Clapham is a little way from Coulsdon etc but this is all I could find in the Surrey Marriage Index (which covers mainly rural Surrey).
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helpme
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thanks very much nell
im very grateful for your lookup i will look into this hopefully this is the one fingers crossed
debra xx
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Mylett
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Little Nell mentioned a Surrey Marriage Index - (hope this is okay or should I start another topic - don't want to butt in?) but may I request a look-up for a Peter SMITH m. Martha ? Farnham early 1800's - a daughter Harriet was born abt 1803 in Farnham.
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Gail (in Australia)
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Little Nell
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Hi Gail,
There are a couple of Peter Smith marriages - but none to a Martha. 
Peter Smith m Hannah Crawford 4 Jan 1807 Petersham (nowhere near Farnham)
The only one in Farnham is in 1762
Peter Smith m Elizabeth Tanner 4 Jul 1762 Farnham by license.
Farnham is quite close to the Hampshire border - might they have married there?
Nell
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damikinch
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Hello Gail.
The Surrey Marriage Index was compiled by Tim Wilcock and is published by West Surrey Family History Society.More details can be found on their website.
There is no record on this index of a Peter Smith=Martha in Farnham within this timeframe.Sorry.
Dave.
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Mylett
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Thank you Little Nell and damikinch,
When Peter Smith and Martha's daughter, Harriet, emigrated to Australia in 1841 with her husband and children the shipping indents gave her native place as Farnham, Hampshire - so she could have been born somewhere in Hampshire and lived in Farnham.
Something else I've just noticed from the shipping records - the curate who cert. Registry of Baptism for Harriet was Wm. Sherwood - another name was Lieut. Col. Blount who testififed as to their character - have you come across these names at all?
Interestingly, Harriet m. James Woodley from Hungerford, Berkshire - their first daughter was born there but the second was born 1837 (according to the IGI) at St Marys Southampton, so the family must have moved back to Hampshire.
Could you two lovely people offer any suggestions as to how I can track this family?
Again, your interest is much appreciated.
Gail (in Australia)
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Little Nell
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Hi Gail,
From what you say above, I gather that you have not actually found Harriet's baptism yet? So we don't know for certain if she was born in Farnham or not?
Farnham is a parish in Surrey on the border with Hampshire. When the poor law unions were formed (on which civil registration districts were based in 1837), Farnham was one of those districts which actually has places within it some of which were in Hampshire and some in Surrey. So this is why it could be tricky tracking Harriet and her parents down.
The other problem is that there is a place called FAREHAM in Hampshire which lies close to Portsmouth Harbour, but is not in itself too far from Southampton. Is there any possibility that the place is Farnham rather than Fareham?
Did Peter and Martha stay here? I've tried looking for burials in both Hampshire and Surrey but can find none for either in Farnham up to 1865 or in Fareham up to 1837 who might fit.
Did Harriet and her family leave before the 1841 census. If not it might be worth looking for them on the 1841 census to see if her parents were around too. It would at least tell us if she was born in the same county as the census. But I have to warn you that there is another couple James and Harriet (nee Witt ) Woodley in Hampshire who married in South Stoneham near Southampton in 1836 and another couple (James Woodley and Harriet Barnes) who married in Bradfield in Berkshire in 1838.
Nell
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Mylett
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Nell,
Thank you so much for your help - did consider Fareham but can't find anything on IGI - so you can appreciate the difficulty.
Unfortunately James and Harriet inconsiderately left before the 1841 Census - the shipping records state that Harriet's mother, Martha, was dead but her father, Peter, was living (found a death Dec 1841 for a Martha Jane Smith of Southampton - but our Martha was supposed to be already dead when the family arrived in OZ before Dec ... aaagh!)
You haven't come across the Blount name have you - Harriet was a cook and James was a groom which makes me think they may have worked for an estate in Hampshire?
I suppose another line of enquiry would be to try and trace the curate Wm. Sherwood if that was possible - it might offer a clue as to what parish the family were living in. Any thoughts on that?
Again, thank you for your help ... it is much appreciated.
All the best,
Gail
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Little Nell
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Sorry, Gail, don't have any personal knowledge of the name Blount. 
But I have found a Reverend William Sherwood listed as a master at the Free School in Holybourne in 1844. Any help?
Nell
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Mylett
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Thanks again, Nell - you've been a great help.
A little bit of gossip - the singer, Jame Blunt's real name is Blount - a member of the family who have a long history connected with the military (his father is a retired colonel from Hampshire)!
I think I've at least found the Blounts, if not the Smiths.
All the very best,
Gail
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Mylett
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Hi Nell,
Wanted to let you know that I have found Peter SMITH and Martha's childrens christenings all at Holybourne, Hampshire - not Farnham as the shipping records showed.
Still can't find Peter and Martha's marriage anywhere though.
All the best,
Gail
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Little Nell
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That's good - I have tried looking for the marriage but haven't had any success either
Nell
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