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Topic: WARGENT surname...need help (Read 1882 times)
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crossl
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Hi to all,
researching a WILLIAM WARGENT who married a MARTHA SAUNDERS on Oct. 21, 1751. Have traced the family all the way to him but unable to get by him. I need his birthdate, parents names. His descendants are in the LEDBURY,HEREFORESHIRE area. His wife MARTHA SAUNDERS was born in 1720 in BUCKINGHAMSHIRE and their children were born in LEDBURY but I don't know where he's from.
Any help would be appreciated,
Thank You
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Willow 4873
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Hiya Crossl
You didn't say when you think William was born
I have a John Wargent b 1786 Ledbury who married an Elizabeth Bowkett in my tree. His parents were William and Elizabeth
If you do a search under the name Wargent on Familysearch the name Wargent only seems to cover Hereford, London, Worcester, Surrey, Gloucester and one in Berkshire. I know the IGI isn't complete but it might narrow your search down a little
Logically I'd say there was a good chance he was born in Herefordshire and brough his new bride back there to live
Willow x
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and is for academic and non-commercial research purposes only Researching: Hilton, Simkiss, Mears & Jones (Wolverhampton) Bowkett (Ledbury & Wolverhampton) Knight (Gloucestershire) Nash (Ledbury) Beard (Worcester & Gloucestershire), Ralph (Wolverhampton & Bilston), Colley (Tibberton) Roberts (Wolverhampton & Bilston), Harris (Droitwich) Matthews (Wolverhampton & High Offley) |
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Jill Shaw
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I have more recent Wargents in my family tree, based in Lugwardine Hereford, but on Genes Reunited there is one Hannah Wargent listed born 1715 in Yarkhill Herefordshire.
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Puffcat
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Thre is a John Wargent who marries Ann Poole in Ledbury in 1727.
Can you trace their children at all to see if this is your family, or just a relative ?
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Jill Shaw
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I'll try when I have time. At the moment all I know is that my great-grandmother was Fanny Wargent (known as Huff), who was the illegitimate daughter of Hannah Wargent born c1834 in Lugwardine. Hannah later married Charles Huff of the All Saints parish in Hereford.
I have had some previous contacts re the Wargent family via Genes Reunited. I haven't got time to look just now, but will try to remember to do so when I have time. Feel free to remind me if you haven't heard within a couple of weeks.
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Jill Shaw
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The contact who originally gave me information about Charles and Hannah believes that Charles was in fact the father of Fanny, my great-grandmother. If that is true, then we share great-great grandparents. I think Charles was a butcher, possibly in Fownhope.
I would be interested in any further information you can pass on. I only know something of Fanny's later history from family stories. She married Thomas Slade of Fownhope, who became a bricklayer and they left the Hereford area.
Jill
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janetteawatkins
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Hi Jill,
I was told Fanny was Charles' daughter by my aunty. My Great grandmother was Fanny's sister Elizabeth. I haven't followed the children's lines that far, I only add things that pop up as I'm working on the family. What you have so far is right. A lot of info is hard to find because WARGENT is misspelt in so many different ways, it took me ages to find what I have on them.
I wish I could talk to you, as I have so much info on the Huffs and Wargent's like. Do you know that Charles' mum ran a pub called the Yew Tree Inn? When she died he took it over and it's still there. Hannah died 3rd January 1875 aged 43 and is buried at the front of St Peters Church Lugwardine with her sister Eliza. The grave is marked and can still be read clearly. Charles went on to Marry a Selina Link nee Hopson. Charles was at this time was bringing my Granddad Bernard Chambers up, as Elizabeth and her husband George Chambers, decided to take all their children except my grandad with them when they left Hereford and moved to London. Selina didn't get on with my granddad as he grew up. He ended up walking out and walked to London to find his mother, only to be rejected again. Charles died on 3rd January 1900 aged 67. LOOK AT THE DATES OF DEATH!!!! I think Hannah was watching what was going on and said "Charlie me old lover your getting away from that wicked cow and coming back to me!" I know, call me an old romantic ! But I do think that was strange. Selina won in the end though she is buried with Charles in Mordiford (I have forgotten the name of the church.) Again the grave is marked and readable.
I have info on Charles' parents William and Elizabeth, but then I'm stuck on Williams parents. The Wargents info is that I go back to 7x Great.
All my info is on Ancestry.com and I'm willing to share it with you, if this helps.
Just ask me what you want to know.
Jan
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Jill Shaw
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Thanks for the information. I do have an Ancestry password but have never used it to access someone else's information. I'll have to investigate.
I can tell you something about Fanny's life. The family story I was told is that Thomas Slade was disowned by his family for getting the maid pregnant. By checking censuses, and gaining information from distant Slade contacts, it seems that the couple did conceive a child out of wedlock but married and went on to have several more children.
The Slades had been fairly well-to-do farmers in Fownhope, but fell on hard times due to mismanagement by Thomas's father, Henry. They moved to a smaller farm house at some stage and Henry's children had to take up trades,Thomas becoming a journeyman bricklayer. (Some branches of the family are still successful in that line of work.)
One of my cousins told me that our Grandad, Tom Slade, was born on the kitchen table at Bowen's Farm, Fownhope. It looks as though Thomas and Fanny, with 2 small daughters already, had gone back home looking for support and forgiveness. They didn't get much, by the look of it. My cousin says that they were allowed to stay until Fanny had recovered from the birth and then sent on their way.
No doubt there's more to the story than that, but these are the fragments that have filtered down. (I'm the 19th of 20 grandchildren of Tom Slade, and some of my older picked up a lot more family information in their childhoods than I did.)Tom died when I was small.
Bowens is now a country house hotel/guest house. on the main street of the village. I haven't stayed there but have seen it - quite tarted up now- and tried to imagine how poor Fanny felt giving birth on the kitchen table. My own memories of the Slades are full of warmth; children everywhere, always loved, never neglected, always room for one more. The story of Grandad's birth doesn't seem to fit, somehow, but I suppose families change from one generation to the next.
Regards whatever I want to know, I'm interested in female surnames (why should they be forgotten?) jobs, religion and politics, if any.
Jill
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janetteawatkins
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Jill, I didn't mean to paint a bad picture of the family, but I now know that dispite what my granddad went through, he was a member of that family. He was the most loving and kindest man you could ever wish to meet. My family all lived in the same house so I lived with him until he died, but he could never forgive his mum. He did get to know his brothers and sisters (some of them born after him in London) and some wonderful relationships developed in that area. I think when he turned up on her doorstep she was riddled with guilt, seeing as in those days and even now Hereford wasn't/isn't a bus ride away, the lack of contact couldn't have helped either. Everything you said about the family was exactly how my family brought my brother, sister and me up. My Granddad had a saying. "Manners cost you nothing, but show people a lot." My children and now my grandson were/are being brought up the same way.
Jill all I need to pass this tree over is your e-mail but we can't put it on this site. If you go on ancestry and look for Barber Family Tree, find my e-mail and send me yours I will allow you access and you can take all the info you want. You should be able to tell which people I have confirmed and which are still waiting for confirmation. I don't add people unless I am pretty sure they are the right people.
Jan
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janetteawatkins
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Willow,
THANK YOU!!!!!
Jan
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janetteawatkins
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Hi Willow, Thank you so much for the info. May I ask you another question and hope you can answer it. Which villages/areas does/did Ledbury Parish cover? As my Hereford families came or moved all over Hereford ie Lugwardine, Yarkhill, Weston Beggard, Mordiford, Dormington, Ledbury, Fownhope with Fawley, The Rock (what or wherever that is.) These are the most common that I can remember.
I visited Hereford about 18 months ago, but it was a weekend and I got lost and confused so many times trying to find these places.
Thanks again Willow for your kindness. I look forward to seeing if you can help me again!!!
Best wishes
Janxx
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