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« on: Saturday 23 July 05 11:07 BST (UK) »

I'd like to get family tree charts (direct ancestors only) onto my site.

While I have some trees at the moment they are not very good - I used a Microsoft excel template and converted them into web pages and imported them into my site.

I've looked at http://www.ida.net/users/elaine/pedigre2.htm and had a go but I don't like the typeface.  I couldn't work out how to change it!

Anyone got any suggestions?

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Kent - Luetchford
Nottinghamshire - Baker, Dunks, Woodward, Price, Priestley
Suffolk - Rose
Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton
Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge
Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble

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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 July 05 15:00 BST (UK) »

How about phpgedview ?

Trystan will load into a directory on your site for you, and you can link to it from your main-page.

See Trystan's posting: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,23704.0.html

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 July 05 19:12 BST (UK) »

Hi Julian,

Here's another idea. 

There is a program kstableu which you can download for free.

kstableau takes a GEDCOM as input file and produces a family tree (direct descendents only) You can export the result to HTML and upload everything to your website.

I have just included a very simple example on my website, for you (or any others interested) to have a look:
http://boco.rootschat.net/COMM/kstableau1/ks.htm

You can download kstableau from  http://www.home.zonnet.nl/KStableau/ where they also have a full description and examples.

(it's still not exactly what I want, but at least it's something !)

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and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site http://boco.rootschat.net

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 July 05 12:07 BST (UK) »

I'm tryin  to find an effective way of displaying all known descendants of my earliest known ancestors. In some cases this will result in a very large tree that is difficult to navigate around.

I've tried withh my smallest tree, and you can see the sort of thing I'm trying to do on http://thomas.rootschat.net and selecting the 'Thomas Family' button. Some of the boxes are then hyperlinks to more info on that person.

It's a little bit tedious. I print from Family Tree Maker to a Microsoft Document Imaging Format, save as a Tiff, convert to Jpeg, and tidy up the jpeg, and stick in a few hyperlink hotspots.

Not the simplest thing to do, but the result is what I want. Does anyone know of a better way? Huh

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 01:19 BST (UK) »

Hi Lyndon

I liked your chart and the general approach on that page.  I have adopted a similar approach - save my report from the family history software as a jpeg, tidy it up (a background fill) and then just having it as a static image on the website - http://etherington.rootschat.net/html/arthur_etherington_s_direct_an.html  But I like the interactivtiy on your page.

However, I read a review of http://www.dftcom2.co.uk/ in Family History Monthly and, looking at it, it seems to be a useful way of uploading a tree to a website.
Having said that - I haven't worked out how to do it yet (!) - managed to import my gedcom into dft, but couldn't get the files to sit on the web properly.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 02:21 BST (UK) »

Thanks Paul. Dft looks closer than anything else I've seen to what I want to do, and much more sensible (though I can't get to work on my machine - but it is 2.15am, so I won't try too hard till the morning!) Let me know if you get it to work. I'd like to take a closer look at that.

Meanwhile, are you able to save a tree as Jpeg using your FT software? I use Family Tree Maker, and seem only to have the option to print the tree. Hence printing it using Microsoft Office Document Image Writer, and going through Tiff to Jpeg.

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 07:31 BST (UK) »

Hi Guys,

I've merged these two topics, as they have the same theme.

This is something I have been thinking about since starting my family history CD/Website, and it will be my next big project for my website.

So if anybody has any tips or examples, add them here, .... please !!!


One program I looked at was "Adam" which also exports trees in HTML format for webpages. I'm off to work now, but I'll post an example tonight.

Bob

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 July 05 19:10 BST (UK) »

I have now uploaded an example of the HTML output from "Adam"
Input was an (incomplete)  GEDCOM file.

you can see it at http://boco.rootschat.net/COMM/adam/index.htm
(Firefox is showing a lot of the table borders, whereas Internet explorer is showing a "clean" version without the borders Huh )

Adam gives you quite a lot of choices, including whether to have names and/or images in your chart

it is a complete family history program, but I have just been using the "Import GEDCOM", "Export as HTML" features, without actually entering any data in the program.

see more here: http://www.use-adam.com/adam.html

It's .... well it's OK, but it's still not exactly what I want ! 
I may end up having to write a program myself !

Bob
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 July 05 04:19 BST (UK) »

I started with Elaine's pedigree format many years ago when monitors were much smaller.

The only things I have done recently were to center some of the tables and add current date.  Font sizes of -1 and -2 can easily be changed as well as the default font.

http://members.aol.com/picknell/pedchart1.html

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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 July 05 18:33 BST (UK) »

There are a few more tips and experiences here:
Topic: Genealogy software experiences
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,53020.0.html
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 July 05 20:22 BST (UK) »

... and in this one:
Topic: drawing up family tree on paper??
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24433.0.html

The references to Powerpoint are interesting, as you can then export it to HTML and upload it to your website !

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 July 05 20:52 BST (UK) »

... and in this one:
Topic: drawing up family tree on paper??
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24433.0.html

The references to Powerpoint are interesting, as you can then export it to HTML and upload it to your website !

Bob

And wasn't it nice to see Amy again?  I'd forgotten what she looked like... Sad

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 July 05 23:15 BST (UK) »

... and in this one:
Topic: drawing up family tree on paper??
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24433.0.html

The references to Powerpoint are interesting, as you can then export it to HTML and upload it to your website !

Bob

Berlin Bob is referring to another thread where he said
At the moment I am using Excel to draw up trees, one tree pro A4 page.

The (preview) results are viewable at http://boco.rootschat.net/i-trees.php

It's a lot of work, but as Amy has said about PowerPoint:
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... you can get your tree to look exactly how you want it. It takes a lot of time but I think the end result is worth it. ...

the next stage is to "clean up" the background colour, and then I want to add hyperlinks to the names, so that I can jump straight to the biographies.  I haven't decided yet how - the PowerPoint idea sounds good, or I may try "drawing" the tables in HTML (Eeeek !!). I also tried converting the excel tables to HTML but that didn't work properly, so I shall keep trying.  I'll post here if I find a good soöution, and I I shall continue to monitor this posting in case somebody else does ! 

I started this thread because I wasn't happy with my static excel-based trees on my site.  (I think I want something more interactive)

This url points to the worst case page on my site

http://juliancbaker.rootschat.net/html/walter_joseph_carter_family_tr.htm

Berlin Bob's post on the other thread refers to cleaning up the excel pages.  My first attempt at saving the excel chart as a web page ended up with the cell references on.  I then tried "preview web page" and this produced a chart without the cell references on so I saved those versions as html, and I was away.

The problem with pages like these are (a) they are bigger than the browser (so I guess I could try again with the smallest possible typeface, but my eyes are starting to go!), and (b) I'm not sure how I can set up hyperlinks as Net Objects Fusion (my web package) doesn't actually display the page, and I'm not HTML-savvy at all so don't feel it worth the investment of trying (and failing) to insert links etc in the base code.

Anyway, I thought I ought to post this explanation of my experience with excel for family tree pages, in case anyone does want to have a go.

(There's enough material already here for a major feature in one of the family history mags - keep it coming!)

JULIAN

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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrill, Surry, Theobold
Kent - Luetchford
Nottinghamshire - Baker, Dunks, Woodward, Price, Priestley
Suffolk - Rose
Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton
Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge
Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble

http://genbires.blogspot.com/

http://genbires-networking.blogspot.com/

Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Which magazine would that be, then, Julian?

Maybe Practical Family History Website Design would be interested
http://etherington.rootschat.net/html/pfhwm.html Smiley

Seriously, though, this was a good debate to have started - shows how we are all grappling with the same problem in different ways.

cheers

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 July 05 00:04 BST (UK) »


Which magazine would that be, then, Julian?

Maybe Practical Family History Website Design would be interested
http://etherington.rootschat.net/html/pfhwm.html Smiley

Seriously, though, this was a good debate to have started - shows how we are all grappling with the same problem in different ways.

cheers

Paul
Paul

You're always on the case - well spotted! Or is it more that you can take a hint!

In the light of:

http://etherington.rootschat.net/html/uktvfamilyhistory.html

I heard a rumour that Lonnie Donegan recorded "Does your gedcom lose its flavour on the bedpost overnight", as well as "My old man's a dustman"

JULIAN
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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrill, Surry, Theobold
Kent - Luetchford
Nottinghamshire - Baker, Dunks, Woodward, Price, Priestley
Suffolk - Rose
Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton
Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge
Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble

http://genbires.blogspot.com/

http://genbires-networking.blogspot.com/

Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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