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MaryA
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Whatever route you decide to go down, I would agree with Andrew and also I know from past conversations, with Bob too, that one of your best investments would be a small, even pocket sized, dummies guide to html, that you can use as a kind of crib sheet to insert small extra items yourself - also it's one of the quick and easy ways to learn what your html code is doing and how you can make it do it, or do it differently.
Also as mentioned is the ever faithful copy and paste. If you see what you want else where, check out the code, copy it and customise it to do what you want yourself.
I've never managed to figure out how one converts Notepad to a webpage. I understand the writing HTML coding and saving it in Notepad - but thats just a text file. How does it become a webpage?
BD - instead of saving mypage.txt save as mypage.html
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Gadget
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Hi All
Thanks for all your comments and advice  
I am likely to use all three tools(for that is what they are) to build my site - Notepad with direct HTML code, an HTML editor and a WYSIWIG package. I'm sure I'll be asking a lot more about this as the weeks go by 
Now I'm going to play (with a nice mug of coffee at my side) 
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Manchester Rambler
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As I'm quite good at writing text, but know zip about HTML, etc, my website is produced with Publisher (husband does the tricky bits and puts it online), so if you want to see an example, take a look here. http://www.angloswiss.net/
Rude comments will be ignored!
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Rude comments not necessary - nice site!!!!
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Gadget
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Yes, it's a nice site - clear and easy to read.
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julianb
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And here's an example of NetObjects Fusion
http://juliancbaker.rootschat.net
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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrill, Surry, Theobold Kent - Luetchford Nottinghamshire - Baker, Dunks, Woodward, Price, Priestley Suffolk - Rose Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble http://genbires.blogspot.com/http://genbires-networking.blogspot.com/Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Thanks Julian
Fusion is on my shortlist with Dreamweaver. How did you find using it?
I'm getting there. I've got my 'temporary' index page designed and converted to HTML plus all the images in a separate folder. I've spent quite a lot of time this afternoon reading through all the back threads on this board (not yet finished). I think I will have to do a few minor tinkers and then set about uploading - I've got CoffeeCup FTP in addition to everything else 
I've also got a blinding headache and runny eyes. It's now time to prepare food
Take a break, have a glass of wine CHILL OUT
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Gadget
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One fginal comment before I close down for March
I've just been examining the code gnerated by Publisher. There's reams and reams of it 
Much of it is greyed out. Is that the extra stuff that MS puts in. It even has my default, everyday printer there  Very useful for anyone looking at my site from Australia, I must say
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julianb
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Fusion is on my shortlist with Dreamweaver. How did you find using it?
Gadget
It didn't take me long to get used to NetObjects Fusion (NOF). I learned as I went along, eg visits counter, photos, links opening in new window, graphics, guestbook, site stats etc.
It helped that others were learning the same program at the same time eg http://etherington.rootschat.net/html/capwatch_uk.html who was more adventurous than me! Considering I got the program off a mag cover disk, I made a pretty shrewd investment.
The one thing to beware of is frames. I started with frames (I think it might be a default setting) but got rid of them because they were causing me problems (and I understand frames are not search engine friendly).
The good thing is that you can save off a copy of your site under a new name and experiment; if the experiment has gone wrong then you've not messed up your site. You can "publish" the site locally, which is great for checking links, layout etc without eating in to your monthly limit on the Rootschat server (something I have to be careful about as I'm already using about half of my monthly allowance).
I still can't claim I know HTML. But you can easily copy and paste good code from others into NOF pages. I now have a 200 plus page site which gets an average of 70 visitors with 300-500 pageloads, per week. To get that level of traffic I've admittedly had to register with search engines and some family history sites; 10-15% of my visitors are inquisitive Rootschatters, but double that arrive via google.
Of course the version of NOF I'm using is about 2 behind the latest, so there's more up-to-date functionality not available to me. I'm not clear how you can use CSS with my version for example.
I started from scratch last June (2005), without any real knowledge of website design or building, beyond what I saw when I was surfing, and from right-clicking a web page to view the source code (which is enough to put anyone off!). So all-in-all I'm very pleased with NOF although it does discourage you from learning HTML (as it does it for you).
Hope this is helpful.
JULIAN
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Gadget
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Thanks Julian and Falkyrn for your comments.
Julian - did you upload your site via Fussion software or did you go via RC's FTP o r an external one?
Falkyrn - I've already e-mailed you with my address details. Thanks ever so.
I'm now pondering about uploading my temp index page. IPublisher seems to suggest that it can do it for me but we'll see. i think I might do it via one of the ways that Bob suggests. It's a bit late now for me to start. My eyes are still watering from todays 'staring' 
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julianb
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Julian - did you upload your site via Fussion software or did you go via RC's FTP o r an external one?
Gadget
I used to use the integrated site publisher in Fusion, but I hit problems with it and it wouldn't load. I just use it for local publishing now.
I have used the RootsChat file manager for uploading small numbers of pages but, as you can only upload six pages at a time, it's wearing if you have quite a few pages to upload.
I have an FTP function through Directory Opus (a File Manager) and that's what I use now - copying files from the local publish directory for my site. Every so often I completely reload the site, but generally I make a note of the pages I have changed and just upload those.
The advantage of the rootschat file manager or a FTP program is you can see what's happening. In the case of the rootschat file manager it will tell you why your file won't upload (which occasionally happens with non-standard files ie not html, gif, jpg etc - see other posts on this board).
Hope this is helpful.
Take a break, have a glass of wine CHILL OUT
Enjoy!
JULIAN
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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrill, Surry, Theobold Kent - Luetchford Nottinghamshire - Baker, Dunks, Woodward, Price, Priestley Suffolk - Rose Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble http://genbires.blogspot.com/http://genbires-networking.blogspot.com/Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Thanks Julian
I'm with the wimmin in the Vets Bar - Romilly made it today
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