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caron
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Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« on: Friday 31 March 06 14:27 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have access to this book please, I am trying to see if my ancestor Thomas Green born about 1771 who lived in Leighton Buzzard in the early 1800s until his death in 1847, is listed in this.

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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #1 on: Friday 31 March 06 14:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Caron

I din't think he is - there is no mention of any Greens from Leighton Buzzard and the only mention of a Thomas Green which would fit your dates is Thomas Green of Northill 1799 App (aprenticeship I think). 

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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #2 on: Friday 31 March 06 14:52 BST (UK) »
thank you very much for looking for me.
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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 March 06 20:02 BST (UK) »
Caron

Poor Law papers are only necessary if there is a chance you might become a burden to your adopted parish [and wives and children came under the husband/father etc] and then they would get the man's birth parish to pay for you.

Keep an eye on the http://blars.adlibsoft.com/beginner/indnms.html
as I think they will be adding Poor Law records

Are you interested in the Eggington GREENs?  Henry GREEN [father Richard according to his marriage details] born about 1826...I have been trying to help someone related to those people.  Eggington comes under the Leighton Buzzard district for Poor Law etc which is why I ask.

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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 March 06 20:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you.  I am looking at the Greens who lived in Leighton Buzzard.

The reason I am trying to find out about Poor Papers is that Thomas Green who I am researching, says in the 1841 census that he was not born in the county, He was born about 1771, and married at All Saints Leighton Buzzard in 1796, to Sarah Narrowway.  (She was from Pitstone Bucks)  He was found in the 1841 census living at Leighton Buzzard, with wife Sarah.  He died in 1847 in Leighton Buzzard.

I dont have any more information about Thomas, so I was trying to see if there were any more records I could look at that would give me any idea of where he was born.   There is nothing for his baptism on the IGI for Bedfordshire. 

What I find strange is that I have only found one child of his
George Green born 1798.  Normally they had a lot of children at that time, so I am suprised that I cannot find any other children for them.

Any idea of any other records that might give me some more information on Thomas?

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Caron
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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 March 06 20:50 BST (UK) »
Caron

That is a difficult one - no doubt!

I expect he came from Buckinghamshire - but we cant assume that.  Undecided

 My other thought was that he may be a soldier...because we are in the middle of the French Wars around about that time?  There are Military lists in the UK National Archives etc., but I do not know how from all the Thomas GREENs there will be ...how you could pin-point your one? 

You can try their search engine to see if there is a date of birth for around the year your guy was born?

In 1803, all men between the ages of 17 & 55 were obliged to list as 'volunteers' but the Leighton Buzzard list did not survive - and most others didn't either.

If I were you, I would carefully examine his marriage record - any clues there ...such as were they married by banns or by licence etc?  Sometimes the PR will give hints too...parishes of the groom [as people usualy married in the bride's village].

Then, I would ask the archivist at Beds Archives...Sue Edwards, usually responds to the e-mails and if you tell her where you are stuck she may be able to help? 

archive@bedscc.gov.uk

I cant think of anything else at the moment but will let you know if I do...

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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #6 on: Friday 31 March 06 22:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks cathy for your advice.  Most of the information I have on Thomas Green came from Beds and Luton Archives, they sent me a copy of his parish marriage entry, it says Thomas Green and Sarah Narrowway were both of this parish in 1796, and were married by bans.  Does this mean that there will be some other information on the Banns?  I dont really know much about this.

Their son George was born 1798.

The census entry for 1841 says they were not born in the County. Beds Archives suggested to look at Bucks to find his baptism as the IGI covered all baptisms for Beds and he wasnt there.    Sarah his wife came from Pitstone.

I have his death certificate, he died in June 1847 and he was 76 years old, so this would have made his DOB about 1771.

I am really not sure where to start looking for him, I only have the IGI to look at myself.

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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 April 06 16:21 BST (UK) »


I dont think Banns would realy tell you anything - marriage by licence might [usually cos the couple do not want to wait - they may be widowed with small babies to be looked after or the husband may be called away for work etc]

Presumably, they were in L.B. because of work...but not many employers kept records
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Bedfordshire: Worker [Flitton]; Ames [Kempston]; Manton [Kempston]; Morris [?]; Valentine [Kempston]; Two & Osborn [Cranfield]

Herfordshire and West London: Brown [Kent in early 19th C]; Blackwell.
McCarthy [Clonakilty, County Cork - searching for needles in the haystack!] and LOSTY [Dublin]
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Re: Bedfordshire Parish Poor Law Papers 1622 - 1834
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 April 06 10:42 BST (UK) »
Thank you Cathy for your reply.

Please let me know if you think of any other documents that may give me an idea of where Thomas was born.   In 1841 when Thomas was living at Leighton Buzzard he says he is an agricultural labourer.  In 1847 on his death certificate he is a labourer.

On his son George's marriage certificate in 1865, Georges father is mentioned as Thomas Green, carrier.  (He is not entered as deceased even though he died in 1847!)

I dont think that Thomas's occupations would lead to finding him in any directories.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Many thanks
caron
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