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pipkim
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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 09 March 06 13:04 GMT (UK) »

Hi Andy,

I Hope so!!!

Best wishes

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Cheshire - Shustoke, Atherstone, Nuneaton, Birmingham
Quinn/Quin - Ireland, Liverpool, Leicester, Birmingham
Morgan - Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester, Birmingham
(Morjeanstern - France, Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester)
Bailey - Smethwick, London
Andrews - Smethwick, Glocestershire, Bristol
Thomas/Keen - Oxford, St Pancras
Hooker - Odiham, Romsey, IofW, Basingstoke, London St Geo Sq

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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!! - UPDATE
« Reply #16 on: Monday 20 March 06 15:54 GMT (UK) »

I have finally received the marriage certificate for Amelia Morgan.

It confirms her Father was George Morgan (deceased) Confectioner, which I hope ties up with George Morjeanstern Confectioner and family, in 1851 census.

After a little reading about name changes (1800's) it seemed that people could easily change their names if they needed too without any documentation. It also appears that not all naturalisation papers survived, even if they went through the process (George probably tried in 1830's-1840's). I have found a reference for him in Slater's 1848 Lancashire directory, in Burnley as a confectioner, but that is all I can find as yet.

Maybe I have finally broken through that brickwall Wink

only to find another one with George, but suppose that's the way it goes.

I have Mesilia Morjeanstern's birth certificate ordered, but don't expect it to give me any more info.

Thanks for everyone's opinion and help.

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Andy001
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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!! - UPDATE
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 March 06 17:54 GMT (UK) »

It's another thing in support of your theory,at least

Don't forget to post the details of Mesilias birth cert when it arrives!!


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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!! - UPDATE
« Reply #18 on: Monday 20 March 06 18:01 GMT (UK) »

I'll do that, but it's in the hands of the GRO, the last one took nearly 4 weeks!!


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Andy001
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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!! - UPDATE
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 21 March 06 16:06 GMT (UK) »

Why didn't you apply to the district office,was it Liverpool? They're so much quicker,I get mine back in 2 days sometimes (I post it Monday,it's back Wednesday) Though saying that,I sent one to Leeds last Wednesday and it's still not back!! Undecided


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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!! - UPDATE
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 21 March 06 18:15 GMT (UK) »

Hi Andy001, believe me I wish I had applied to the Liverpool Office!!!

I'll be trying the Birmingham office for my dad's side.

Mesilia Morjeanstern's certificate is due to be dispatched 22 March, so I'll wait and see when it turns up. I used the GRO so I could apply online, so now it's back to snail mail for me. Roll Eyes

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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 30 March 06 13:23 BST (UK) »

Mesilia's birth certificate is here, finally.

Nothing more to add really other than it confirms Mesilia's father is George Morjeanstern - confectioner and her mother is Mary Morjeanstern formerly Quin (not another one! although, hopefully it's a different line to the other Quinn who Amelia (Mesilia) married.

The good news is they lived on Park Lane

, the bad news is it's Liverpool not London. Grin

, more precise St Thomas Liverpool. Funny My husbands been up there on business recently and today, and was amused to see that they have copied, at some time, some of the major London street names and now I find my GG Grandmother was born at a home on one of them.

As yet I have not found any more about George Morjeanstern despite allsorts of variations of his name. I also have contacted people without any luck so far Sad

even the Jewish websites, but I'm still hoping.

I'm now going to explore the Park Lane area of Liverpool 1843 it there is any info about it.

Looking forward to Ancestry's 1841 census details coming online to see if they are living in Liverpool before Mesilia was born. Hope they get a move on!

Thanks All, for help so far if you have any more ideas please let me know.

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Andy001
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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 30 March 06 14:46 BST (UK) »

Don't wait for Ancestry-ask someone on here to do a look up for you!!

Why is it bad news its Liverpool not London?By the sea or choking on smog?Hmmmmm its a no-brainer!! Grin


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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 30 March 06 14:59 BST (UK) »

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Why is it bad news its Liverpool not London?

One reason:

Have you ever played Monopoly ??

Park Lane is "next door" to Mayfair, the second-most expensive property on the board.
And that reflects real life !!

I don't know what sort of district Park Lane Liverpool is, but someone here knows and will surely tell us !

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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 30 March 06 15:15 BST (UK) »

I've found Park Lane, St Thomas district. Park Lane runs almost parallel to Albert and Wapping docks with a road called wapping in between them. It's a shame there is no house/premises number on the birth certificate. I think I will put up an 1841 census look-up request.

I can only think that Mary married George in France or Ireland then came to England, Liverpool being their first stop, then on to Burnley 1848 and Leicester 1851.

I'll keep looking! Wink


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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 30 March 06 15:19 BST (UK) »

There's one near the Waterfront.

I'd rather live near the sea in Liverpool than be able to afford to live on Londons Park Lane,any day!! Grin


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Re: This is a long shot!!!!!! - UPDATE
« Reply #26 on: Friday 31 March 06 12:09 BST (UK) »

Quote from: pipkim on Tuesday 21 March 06 18:15 GMT (UK)

I wish I had applied to the Liverpool Office!!!

Last time I visited they quoted a wait time of 13 weeks. Called at the GRO on my way home instead.


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Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #27 on: Friday 31 March 06 13:11 BST (UK) »

Hi andrewalston,

Now I am confused, perhaps I should stick to the devil I know!!! Grin

I've usually worked out all the answers by the time the certificate turns up, to wait 13 weeks Shocked

to confirm my assumptions would be just too much. Roll Eyes

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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #28 on: Friday 31 March 06 13:47 BST (UK) »

I think you'll find this site interesting for the area around Park Lane - which we of course consider to be far superior to the one in London which copied it's name from ours. Grin

http://www.toxteth.net/

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Re: This is a long shot! - UPDATE part two
« Reply #29 on: Friday 31 March 06 14:49 BST (UK) »

Hi Mary,

Thanks for that. I have taken a look at the Toxteth site. It just misses Park Lane in map and street references, but I'm sure it will give me lots more information for the area in general. I'll bookmark it so I don't loose it. I've also found a great street map of Liverpool ca 1833 on Genmaps Lancashire, Liverpool.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genmaps/index.html

I've just found another possible ancestor from Liverpool Grin

on my Dad's side, but I haven't had enough time to look into them. yet!

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