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liverpool annie
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Hi Glyn !
I wonder if you have tried to get John's service records - that might be a start !!
Military records of the 2/51st Regiment , Pay rolls, Pay Musters, Cemetery Records, Church Records & General Muster Records. Reference: Records of the 51st ,Mitchell Library ,Sydney, Australia
A John Rothwell is named as a soldier who stayed behind !!
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/%7Egarter1/r51st.htm
Though theres no mention of South Africa ...... !! 
this is the movements of the regiment
1821 - became 51st (2nd Yorkshire West Riding) or "The King's Own" Light Infantry Regiment
1822 - December - Malta, Fort Ricasoli
1823 - March - Corfu
1824 - June - Argostoli
1826 - May - Zante to Feb. 1828
51st King's Own Light Infantry (Second Yorkshire West Riding Regiment) served in Ionian Islands, Tasmania, Australia and India, Ireland, Corfu, Van Dieman's Land
1846 - India - Bangalore
1852-1853 - Second Burma War - Basseign, Pegu, Prome
1855 - England, Malta, England
1858 - East Indies, 5 years at home, India
1872-74/5 Fyzabad, India
1875-87 Peshawar, North-West Frontier of Afghanistan, Peshawar, Umballa
Part of Peshawar Valley Field Force
1880-87 - Marandan, Peshawar
1881 - joined by 105th Regiment to form 1st (51st) and 2nd (105th) Battalions The King's Own Light Infantry (South Yorkshire Regiment) 2nd Bn in England and Ireland
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Valda
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A confusing census entry for 1851. I have given it as the household is written
1851 census HO107 1780 folio 79
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St Austens Lane Harwich St Nicholas Essex
James Molineux 42 Wigan, Lancashire, Head Married Pensioner Army
Mary Molineux 32 Harwich, Essex, Wife Married
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Mary Rothwell 11 Van Diemansland, Hobart Town Daughter
Jane Rothwell 8 Van Diemansland, Hobart Town Daughter
John Rothwell 3 India Son of John Rothwell soldier
James Rothwell 1 At Sea Son of John Rothwell soldier
Mary Taylor 53 Harwich, Essex, Lodger Married Seaman's wife
Richard S Lawrance 26 Harwich, Essex, Son Seaman
Charlotte Lawrance 16 Harwich, Essex, Daughter Servant
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collin
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Hello Valda, you have stunned me with this, it is certainly them, Jane (1843) is my ancestor, when I put her details in the 1851 census there were no results, so assumed they had,nt arrived back in England by then. John Rothwell married Mary Ann Lawrence at Harwich in 1838, I wonder if this James Molineux is a mistake for John Rothwell as the ages are right for the parents. Mary Ann Rothwell re married in Wigan in 1867 to Thomas Gerrard You have given me something to work with now, I cant thank you enough, as I thought I would never solve this one Thanks again Glyn
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Collin Oldham Lancs Rogers Dudley Abbott Ripley Derbys Hartley Outwood Yorks
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Valda
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A mistake or an alias. I would want to follow John Rothwell's career through the regimental muster books. If this was him the 1851 census states he had an army pension which would mean surviving attestation papers. I cannot see him though as John or James Rothwell or John or James Molineux/Molineaux in The National Archives army pension index which covers men discharged up to 1854 - not in the 51st Foot.
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Valda
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The children's baptisms of an a soldier serving in the army overseas are often found in the overseas section of the General Register Office index at the Family Records Centre (baptised by the regimental chaplain), only usually baptised locally if the soldier was not Church of England or no regimental chaplain was available. Those records can be searched online at 1837online. The records begin in 1761 and the GRO will issue certificates for any reference found. They have the sort of information found on baptisms not on births.
Tasmanian BMDs can be searched here (this early parish records)
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=314567
Not sure but this seems to be indicating a marriage for these Rothwell parents - John and Mary Anne in Hobart in 1840, but children baptised 1840-1845 which would fit the time span.
439862 ROTHWELL MARY 1840
439874 ROTHWELL WILLIAM 1842
439847 ROTHWELL JANE 1843
439858 ROTHWELL LOUISA 1845
3 baptised Hobart, William baptised Green Ponds.
Baptisms in India if not held by the GRO are held by the British Library (plus burials).
The National Archives has no record of a James Molineux receiving an army pension pre 1854 except one born in Warwickshire discharged 1853 aged 39.
No Rothwell/Molineux marriage on FreeBMD. Overseas/army marriages again will be held in the GRO overseas index.
The son born at sea in 1850 was still alive on the 1851 census
Deaths of FreeBMD
Deaths Jun 1851
Rothwell John Wigan 21 61[79]
Deaths Sep 1852
Rothwell John Wigan 8c 46
ROTHWELL John Wigan 8c 56
You might be able to persuade Wigan registry office to check the ages at death and only issue you a death certificate if they find a man of the a right age, preferably an army pensioner.
There are also two James Molineux deaths registered in Wigna pre 1861.
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Valda
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Valda
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From TNA website
WO 97/649/94 JAMES MOLYNEUX Born WIGAN, Lancashire Served in 51st Foot Regiment Discharged aged 43 1826-1850
But still doesn't quite explain why Mary Ann reverted to her first husband's surname?
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Valda
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I wonder if John Rothwell would be in the Australian BMD ?