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Ann W
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Alfred & Elizabeth HUDSON

1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« on: Tuesday 04 April 06 11:04 UTC (UK) »

This is what i have in 1851
HO107/2053 351 10
Birmingam Warwickshire
n°1 Court n°1 House Digbeth
Diana Tudge, head, wid, 52, Shoe binder, b. Warwick Birmingham *
Joseph Plumpton, son, 22, Spectacle maker, b. Mdx Bethnal Green
Thomas Tudge, son, 19, Spectacle maker, b. Birmingham
Henry Tudge, son, 17, Cigar maker, b. do.
Dinah Tudge, dau, 15, Japanner, b. do.
Joseph Forman, visitor, unm, 47, Painter, b. do.
John Fox, visitor, unm, 17, Polisher of steel goods, b. do.

wondering if they can be found in 1841, as i havent got a husband for Diana. some times spelt Dinah....

Thank you so very very very much.

best wishes
Ann


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Nicky
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 17:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Struggling to find the Tudge's but this could be Joseph Plumpton.

Joseph Plumpton, age 12, pupil, born out of county

resident in the Blue Coat Charity School, Birmingham
HO 107 1146
folio 7/39 page 3

Nicky


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Ann W
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 19:47 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that Nicky,

That does look like him... it a bit early in the morning here, but i wondered if maybe Diana was a Plumpton it 1841, or is that a long shot, why did her son have a different name then... am i going to wake up in a min and think that was a silly question....

i Googled "Blue Coat Charity School" found some interesting info on that, thought it may have been a school for poor or naughty children..

Is Tudge a common names back then....

once the dau Diana / dinah married they changed there names like it was going out to of fashion, might look back it that and see if there is any clues.

Thank you so much , every bit helps..

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Ann W
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 April 06 02:25 UTC (UK) »

hi there, me again..

i found on the IGI

Joseph PLUMPTON

1) b 25 mar 1829 chr 19 april 1829 london ( were the 1851 census said he was born.

2) b 27 mar 1829 chr 5 mar 1838 in birmingham

parents samual Plumpton and Diana. Huh

i am not sure what to make out of that one... did they forget he was chr or not happy with his chr??

( help)

ann


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Biko
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:33 UTC (UK) »

Hello Ann W

I have been tracing the Plumpton line. I believe that Diana Plumpton had Joseph Plumpton rechristened in Birmingham. I have actually seen this before in the Lancashire area.
Also on the IGI Diana appears as Shaso. However on the London Parish Records (Marriage 1817 )it is Shaw.
Other children born to her and Samuel are John 1818, Samuel 1820, James 1821. None of these children appear in the 1841 census with her. Nor does her 2nd husband ? Tudge.

The name Tudge as been transcribed as Fodge for the ancestry 1841 Census: HO107; Piece 1145; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Birmingham; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 11; Page: 15; Line: 25; GSU roll: 464181.

I have also been unable to find a certain death for Samuel Plumpton. Or a Marriage record of a Dinah/Diana Shaw or Plumpton to a Tudge.

By 1851 Census Diana is a widow again. She appears in the 1861 Census. and I have a Death Index for Mar 1879.

Hope this is useful if you need anything on Joseph Plumpton let me know.
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Ann W
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Biko, lovely to hear from you..

that info was great thank you.

can you tell me if i am correct in thinking

George Plumpton c 1870 m Elizabeth b c 1870 had samual b c 1797 London

who had Joseph who married Ann Cutler and they had 9 children..

you have got my interest in this family again, lots of brick walls,

thanks again.
sorry took so long to answer , i wanted time to look at my tree first

cheers
Ann


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Biko
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 07 November 09 12:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ann

I am guessing that's a type error and you meant G. Plumpton c 1770.

Sadly for me my own pc as give up the fight and died I never got around to saving a lot of things including all my notes on the Plumpton tree. I am sure I had possible parents of Samuel Plumpton but nothing certain

Having said that the London Parish Register on Ancestry was not available back then so I will do a search later and get back to you if I find anything.

But yes Joseph did marry a Ann Cutler and they had 9 children all born in Birmingham. The tree I am researching follows Thomas Plumpton born c 1863

Catherine Plumpton
1853 –

Mary Ann Plumpton
1859 –

Joseph Plumpton
1861 –

Thomas Plumpton
1863 –

Eliza Plumpton
1865 –

William Plumpton
1870 –

Emily Plumpton
1873 –

Elizabeth Plumpton
1874 –

Ann Plumpton
1876 –

If you want any further details just let me know. Looking on Ancestry I can see there are quite a few people researching this tree and I have just found Ann Cutlers Parents and grandparents.

Marjie


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WORRALLS. HURST, HIGHFIELD
Manchester-Hulme, Deansgate, Earlstown (Newton in Makerfield) Chorlton on Medlock, Newton Heath, Ardwick.

Ann W
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Alfred & Elizabeth HUDSON

Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 November 09 08:38 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your help.

my family comes from the diana's second marriage to the Tudge,, her daughter Diana married a husselbee, and their daughter married a Willetts,

Your help has got me interested in this family again

thanks

cheers
Ann


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Biko
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 November 09 13:20 UTC (UK) »

Your welcome.

Hope those brick walls come down.

Couple of questions. I found the BMD index for Diana Tudge marriage, only the options are a Thomas Cross or John Hoselby.

However on the 1861 census I find Diana down as born 1832 and her husband is Thomas Husselbee.

Is this a transcript error on BMD or was both John and Thomas his name?

And what was a Japanner?

Marjie

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WORRALLS. HURST, HIGHFIELD
Manchester-Hulme, Deansgate, Earlstown (Newton in Makerfield) Chorlton on Medlock, Newton Heath, Ardwick.

Ann W
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Alfred & Elizabeth HUDSON

Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #9 on: Monday 09 November 09 20:16 UTC (UK) »

yes its John Husselbee.. but at times called thomas and husselbee is spelt all sort of ways

Japanner is a method of varnishing

yes very confusing with these name changes.

cheers
ann


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lynz30
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Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #10 on: Today at 02:55:15 »

Hi All

I too am looking into the Plumpton family tree and specifically at Thomas Plumpton, so Biko this message may be quite relevant to you.

Thomas Plumpton is my GG Grandad, my Grandad (still very much alive and well!) remembers him well and his Grandma Jemima (nee Jackson) My Grandad lived with them whilst he was growing up, and remembers clearly having to help carry Jemima out of the air raid shelter when she passed away during a bombing raid in Birmingham. He had her name added to the air raid memorial in Birmingham which is at the back of the Bull Ring. I have a photo of Jemima, with her daughter; my G Grandma and my Grandad.

I have recently been to the Central Library in Birmingham, where they hold records of the Blue Coat School. The research that I did on the school suggested that it was for children from poor backgrounds who had shown some form of potential. The child was normally sponsored by someone and would probably go into an apprenticeship. I found Joseph's records, which show he entered the school on the 18.06.1838 and was signed in by (and her signature is actually there) Diana Plumpton. He was sponsored by someone called George Calley Lingham ( we think a button maker in Birmingham)

On the marriage certificate for Joseph and Ann it shows that his father is a silk weaver, and I think that the two Christenings are correct, he was Christened in Birmingham and the document is with his school records. That day around 20 other children of a similar age were Christened, we think it is to do with the school and perhaps something compulsory.

Also I have looked at the census from 1851 and it could be TUDGE or it may be JUDGE? I also found a death of a Dina JUDGE on the BMD dated 1878, Dina was aged 79 at the time? This adds up with the DOB. Don't know whether this might this be the Tudge / Judge link?

I'm hoping to go the the London Metropolitan Archives in the coming weeks but it would be great to hear any more news!

Regards

Lyns


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Ann W
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Alfred & Elizabeth HUDSON

Re: 1841 Census look up please - TUDGE
« Reply #11 on: Today at 03:30:22 »

Wow Wow Wow....

First - welcome to rootschat, and thanks so much for a very interesting post.

i will take another look at this family.....

I live in NZ, so there are some things i cant research, and are very grateful for any info.

Thanks so much

I will get back to you, but at this min i am shattered and going to get some sleep.

cheers
Ann xx


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