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Topic: *COMPLETED*Thomas Elliott, Portland (Read 1023 times)
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nameless
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Thomas Elliott, Portland
Please does anyone know where this man was in 1851? He is entered in Lower Lane Portland in 1861 - RG9/1351 page 34 as retired mariner aged 43 with wife Jane aged 42.
I am looking for a missing merchant seaman who was in Bristol in 1851 and wonder if this is him on next census.
Can anyone tell me where I might find marriage details for him? Not sure when, youngest child was 14 in 1861.
Thanks, Nameless
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nameless
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Thank you very much. I will get that one to look at the signature. Could prove if he was a bigamist.
Thanks again.
Nameless
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allibaker
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judging by the 1861 cencus that has sister inlaw mary read living with them i would say that was the correct marriage willow 
the 61 looks like this-
thomas elliott 43yrs farmer mariner now labourer born portland dorset
jane 42yrs wife born portland
thomas 14yrs daughter
jane 12yrs daughter
robert 9yrs son
emily 6yrs daughter
william 3yrs son
]mary read 32yrs unmarried sister in law born portland
all children born portland
SOURCE INFO-RG9-1351
FOLIO-66
PAGE-34
THOMAS IS NOT WITH WIFE AND KIDS IN 51-
jane elliott 32yrs head mariners wife
john 6yrs son
thomas 4yrs son
jane 1yr daughter
no sign of your thomas maybe he was at sea?
have a possible baptism for your thomas?
thomas elliott bapt 14th sept 1817 at portland dorset.parents john elliott and elizabeth. there are also 4 siblings for this man.if you would like the details please say and i will post them
regards
alli
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nameless
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Dear Alli,
I would be grateful for more info. Thank you for all of the rest of it.
Cheers
Nameless
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allibaker
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siblings for thomas elliott all baptised in portland with parents john elliott and elizabeth-
john bapt 14th may 1815
susannah bapt 7th nov 1819
elizabeth bapt 10th march 1822
william bapt 23rd may 1824
the 1841 cencus has these 2 living together.maybe your mother and one of the children?
elizabeth elliott 50yrs born in county
susanna 20yrs born in county
SOURCE INFO-H0107-285/13
FOLIO-37
PAGE-8
the 1851 shows mother elizabeth with son william at home.
living in portland
elizabeth elliott 61yrs widow born portland
william 24yrs son unmarried mariner born portland
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1857
FOLIO-559
PAGE-13
regards
alli
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allibaker
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john elliott married elizabeth pearce 21st july 1814.both were aged 24yrs.
this could be daughter elizabeth?
elizabeth elliott married thomas cheslitt 29th feb 1840.brides father john elliott and grooms father thomas cheslitt.and possibly daughter susanna?
susanna elliott married henry sansom 19th june 1842 portland.brides afther john elliott and grooms father william sansom.
theres a burial for a john elliott aged 20yrs buried 6th june 1835 at portland st george (could be son john?)
hope some of this helps?
there are several elliott burials at portland some of whom might be related.
regards
alli
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nameless
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Dear Alli,
Thank you very much for all the information. I'mm just trying to get a copy of the marriage with the signature.
Thanks again,
Nameless
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Lordna
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Nameless,
Just found your post and I have the marriage certificate of Thomas ELLIOTT and Jane READ as both are in my tree. Very interested in what you found out. Unfortunately the certificate I recieved is handwritten by a registrar recently from the original (for some reason) and NOT a copy of the original.
Roland ELLIOTT
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nanny jan
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Hi nameless,
Have you had a look at the Portland section on www.dorset-opc.com? Census details, baptisms, marriages, burials and lots more.
Nanny Jan
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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick) all LDN area/suburbs Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT Gandy/LDN before 1830 Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK Rainer/CAN (Toronto)
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nameless
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Hello Nanny Jan & Roland,
Thank you for the link to Portland opc. I'm very grateful for that.
I didn't get any further looking for the marriage because the Register Office needed to know the church. There is only the slightest chance of finding anything if I could see his signature.
My (Edward) Thomas Elliott signed his name on the marriage in Bristol in 1845. He is just on the 1851 census then vanishes. GRO have checked home & overseas indexes but no death. With sailors having such a bad name I wondered if he left to go back to another wife. I have found nothing about him or his alleged father in Bristol records. His last child was apparently born 1860 but only on one of their 5 marriages is the father entered as dead. Makes me wonder why.
I think I come from a very dodgy mariner.
Cheers
Nameless
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Lordna
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Nameless,
What links your (Edward) Thomas ELLIOTT to Thomas ELLIOTT of Portland?
The only Thomas Elliot I can find on the 1851 is recorded as from Bristol?
Roland
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Lordna
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A Thomas Elliott from Bristol is recorded in BT119/5 P36 Alphabetical Index of Seamens 1835-1840, the entry reads 19 S Bristol 2263. This can be used to look in BT112 Register of seamen series II.
BT116/31 P192 Register of Seamen Series III 1853-1857 lists a Thomas Elliott from Bristol. His age is noted as 35, 36 and 38 probably corresponding to voyages listed in 1854, 1855 and 1856. The voyage in 1856 has him listed as a Seamen, 29/4 date and vesssel Avon registered Bristol. 1855 voyage again he is a seamen date 1/9, vessel name Stac? registered Bristol (A bit difficult to read). Voyage in 1856 he is a Seamen aboard Ceres registered Waterford sailed 6/6.
BT114/7 p154 Index to seamens tickets 1845-54 gives register ticket 440586 (i think!) Elliott Thomas from Bristol. You can use this gto get more details from BT113 seamens tickets.
If you go onto the national archives website and select the catalogue, the above BT series references can be entered to find out more. The second entry above shows that he was on a Waterford registered vessel could it be he died at sea or in Waterford? Crew lists can be looked at for a particular Port where you can search for the crew list for a particular vessel. Who knows where this information might lead?
I am currently traceing through BT series looking for ELLIOTT's from Portland as many of my ancestors were Mariners and dissapeared. So far I have found a suprising amount of information about them incuding height, colour of hair, eyes etc. so well worth looking. Please let me know if I can help further as I have listed all ELLIOTTS from the BT indexes.
Regards
Roland Elliott
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nameless
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Dear Roland,
I have no reason at all to look at Elliotts in Portland apart from the fact that the Portland Thomas is on 1861 and not on 1851. I was interested in looking at the original of his marriage for elimination purposes. As I haven't been able to find out who my Elliott was, I was trying to find out who he wasn't. I am sure the father's details on his marriage certificate is lies, there is no record of a woolen draper in Bristol records.
Thank you for all of that information. How did you get hold of it, on line or some other way? A researcher checked the seaman's ticket regs but I don't think they were the same as you have. He sent photocopies but I can't read the ships details.
Because of his children's marriage entries I also think he left, rather than died. I could not find him on 1841 although I think I checked most of the Elliotts on the census on Ancestry.
Thanks again for all the info.
Regards
Nameless
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Lordna
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The information came from the National Archives. You can look on their website catalogue to find out more information about the BT series. However you may need to visit the NA building at Kew to view the fiches although they might be able to order some details online with the information I have given you......but you need to look at the website catalogue first to give you background on how the BT archives are arranged.
Roland
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