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Faysie
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 Hello, I am an ' Elderly Newbie" in Oz, in need of help, guidance and direction. 
I am trying to find out what happened to the family of my G.G.Grandfather. James Sach. who was Baptised @ The Holy Trinity Church, Village of Takeley, 25 April, 1810. records show he later became and " Ag Labourer", convicted and sentences at the Essex Lent Assizes Court on march 12th 1828 fro killing sheep along with other accomplices. James was sentenced to Death but commuted to Transportation to New South Wales, Australia arriving aboard the ship " Lord Melville 11 (1) May 6th 1829 aged 19 years.
my " Jame's" parents were William and Maria Sach ( nee Day) who were married @ Takeley on 10th November, 1805. they had the following children.
James ( My G.G.Grandfather( Baptised) 25th April 1810
Robert " 18 September, 1814
John " 16 March, 1817
Mary " 11 June 1820.
William Sach's parents were Robert & Susanna/h Sach married @ Takeley 07th May,1776. the family could have lived at Brewers End on the hatfield Broad Oak side. ( not validated).
After my G.G.Grandfather was tried and taken to Chelmsford. I cannot find any trace of his parents William and Maria, nor any of the other siblings... and i do not know where to begin to seek that information..they seemed to have disappeared...
I have all the information validated on Jame's Conviction,Transportation, Assignment, Marriage and family here in Oz... The name changed here in Oz. from Sach to Saich to Sech and finally as it is known to-day as Seach. Whether it was due to the Broad Country Accent or... the person recording the surname I am unsure...
if anyone can help me I would be very appreciative.. as I would love to find out what ever happened to my " James's " family whilst he was tried, convicted and confessing to the Crime at the tender age of 17 years...
Looking forward so very much to hearing from SKS.... and also would like to " Thank" the list & members for being so patient with me...
Sincerely
Faysie in Oz. 
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Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford Manch Lancashire
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Clincher
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At first sight the website at
http://tlhs.org.uk
(and click on 'Takeley genealogy' at the left) and top of the page
suggests that you may have the information which that website seeks and that website may have the information you seek...... 
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cep
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1841 Waltham Holy Cross HO107 341_10 19 p1
Hamlet of Upshire
Honey Lane
Robert Saich, 25, Ag Lab
Ann Saich, 19
William Saich, 1
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George Brooke or Brooks, 15
George Player, 50, Ag Lab
All b. Essex
Marriages Jun 1840
BROOKS Ann Edmonton 3 65
SAICH Robert Edmonton 3 65
Regards CP
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Faysie
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 Good Morning from Oz... Thank yu so very much to the following members. Middle Englander, hlbradd and Cep.... I value youer advice and information given.. I shall certainly follow it through...
Must admit I have never used 1837 Online Census. has anyone used it with success?? .
I have to be very careful with the Census, especially 1841. as there was a Robert Sach aged 50 years Ag.Lab.His parents were... a Robert and Frances Sach, (no Marriage recorded) who had the following children.
Mary Ann. Baptised 8 th June 1806
James ( Baptised ) 27 March, 1808 ( not my James??) think he died..
John (Baptised) 25th February, 1810
James ( Baptised) 8 March, 1812.
In the 1841 Census this "Sach" family" were living at Brewers End.
Robert Sach age 50 years. Ag. Lab.
James Sach. aged 30 years Grocer. ( this is almost certainly the James born 08/-3/1812....whose parents were Robert & Frances.
Elizabeth Sach aged 30 years.
Emma Sach aged. 6 years.
Alfred Sach. aged 4 years and
George Sach. aged 1 year.
My question now is?? what if I bought photocopies from the Parish Registry at Chelmsford.. would it give me the parents names of my "James Sach" whom I beleive to be William and Maria?? or.. should I have pay to look at the 1837 Online . would this give me any further information...
I am so sorry to be causing this dilema, but it is very confusing with this " Sach" family and if I get it wrong then I could end up searching the wrong family?
It is so hard when you are so far away... I almost made a similar mistake with my Paternal "Sharp" family in Lincolnshire.. I found a submitter on a popular site, emailed and the person who was so sure I had the right family.. on closer inspection and further research and communication They had put my family information on their website and even though it was wrong and no relation to them at all, I asked for it to be removed.. to this day it is still there.So anyone else researching will find heaps of errors and this is so wrong for other persons in future.
Again " Thank You" for your patience and understanding.I look forward to hearing from you again
Till Later
Faysie in Qld. Oz.
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Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford Manch Lancashire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
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MALCOLM
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Hi Faysie.
Very interesting story & a lot of hard work gone into it. Have you tried this site, there are a lot of Sachs here. www.essex1841.com
Hope this will be of help.
Malcolm.
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MALCOLM
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Hi Faysie.
I had a look at 1821 census for Writtle(near Chelmsford) today. There are 3 Sach families but they only state the heads name. They are Robert(age 41-50) & wife(age 51-60) no children. William (41-50) & wife(41-50) & 3 children. John(61-70) & wife(51-60) & 3 children.
I have a copy of the 1845 Post Office List for Takeley & it shows James Saich as a shopkeeper.
If you want copies let me know.
Malcolm.
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Faysie
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" Happy Easter Malcolm" to you and yours....
Thank you for your post... it is interesting? Firstly the James Saich listed in 1845 Directory as a shop keeper is not my James. this James Saich was Baptised 08 March 1812 and his parents were Robert and Frances. he is also listed in the 1841 Census aged 30 as a Grocer...Also in 1845 my " James " was out here in Oz, married with 3 sons...As you can tell I have to be so very careful as there were two Sach/Saich families in the area at the same time...related?? perhaps.. too early to worry about that until I can verify my own details first.
This is the information that I have on my James. and know nothing else. this is why I am trying to search for my " James's " parents and siblings...
Robert & Susanna/h Sach ( nee Bridge) my GGGG Grandparents. were married @ Takeley 07 May, 1776. Their Children were.
John. Baptised 10th May 1778
Susanna Baptised 09 January, 1780
Robert Baptised 18th September, 1783
William Baptised 02 April, 1786 ( This is my GGG Grandfather )
Mary Ann Baptised 16 March 1789.
I am led to understand that this family lived at Brewers End on the Hatfield Broad Oak Side... I know nothing else about them...
William- Baptised 02 April, 1786 ( my GGG Grandfather) married Maria Day @ Takeley 10 November 1805. Their Children were.
James Baptised 25 April, 1810 ( My GG. Grandfather and also Convict transported here to oz.
Robert Baptised 18 September 1814
John Baptised 16 March, 1817
Mary Baptised 11 June, 1820
There are a couple of things that could have happened and why I am not having much luck in tracing the family.
(1) They could have lived outiside the Village of Takeley and only came for Marriage, Baptism's and Burials... The records I have given are from Holy Trinity Church in the Village. Is there anywhere else in the Hatfield Broad Oak or Brewers End area that I could reseach?
(2) My James at time of offence was aged 17 years. he could have been working and living on a farm around the Village when the Crime was committed in December 1827, away from his family ??.
I simply do not know where else to look??? perhaps the key is to somehow obtain a copy of my " Jame's"s Baptismal record... it may show some information there... not sure how it works over there... but if this were possible it may help me...
There one other clue.. there is a Burial recorde of a " Maria Saich: buried 26th January, 1826 aged 48 years.... this could be my GGG Grandmother as the age seems possible and checking the Baptism of her husband William. in 1786.
I do hope that you may be able to either help meor guide me in a direction.....Again my " Thanks" I really appreciate what you have done for me...
Till later.
Faysie in Oz.
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Sach/Saich- Essex.
Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford Manch Lancashire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistle. Cheshire.
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