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Topic: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan. (Read 2620 times)
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RedRover
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Has been a while since I posted to any board. Seeking to share information on Armagh born Pentland families, particularly around Ballyworkan. I have photos of related and maybe-related family burials stones in Drumcree, Seagoe, and Mullavilly.
Other Armagh lines Uprichard, Morrow, Gibson, Dermot, Gardiner.
Also, I have alpha index of names for Pentland (and similar) for Scotland, Mid-Lothian Christening, Births and Marriages 1600-1800's.
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Pentland (Ballyworkan & Scotland), Prentice (Co Armagh), Uprichard (Portadown), Morrow (Ballyworkan), Macleod (Dumfries, Scotland) & Prince Edward Island), Graeme (Belfast&Scotland), Valentine (Dublin)
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arthurk
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I don't know of any Pentland connection, but I was very interested to see the name Gibson.
I am descended from Jane Gibson (1821-1900), whose father was Jeremiah Gibson of Ballyworkan, a farmer. Jane married William Harcourt in Portadown in 1848.
I think I have a little more information on the family, but it will take me a while to unearth it and sort it out. Meanwhile, have you come across them?
Thanks for any help,
Arthur
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Researching among others: Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy, Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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RedRover
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Arthur: I am sure that somehow we are then related as Ballyworkan is a very small place. Did you know that in Ballyworkan there is a rural road called Harcourt's Hill upon which my gg grandfather lived? I took a picture of it and the abandoned house when I visited there in 2002.
My gg paternal grandmother was Martha Gibson, born around 1832 and perhaps we could speculate was a sister to Jane? She married Thomas Pentland and their children were Maggie Anne, John, Elizabeth Mary, Jane, Martha and Jeremiah.
Jeremiah Pentland was my gg, born in 1863, and who also lived and raised his family in Ballyworkan just down the road from Thomas. Many of the Pentlands were buried in Drumcree or Seagoe Church cemetaries, but I regret not making time to see, or bumping into, any Gibson graves. I am trying to piece together 'where' the families were in proximity to each other in order through various online records. I found that there was another spelling for Ballyworkan, like many places, but this was well before the Battle of the Boyne. After the process of elimination using the Pender's Census of Ireland from 1659, I believe the spelling was then Bollymurhan in the Oneyland Cones. According to this census, there were (but likely not including servants) 20 people on the 'land' of Bollymurhan, 10 being English or Scotts and 10 being Irish. The tituladoe named was Mr Amlett OBoyns.
Alison ps I am in Canada
Piecing together these documents if fun, but time consuming.
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Pentland (Ballyworkan & Scotland), Prentice (Co Armagh), Uprichard (Portadown), Morrow (Ballyworkan), Macleod (Dumfries, Scotland) & Prince Edward Island), Graeme (Belfast&Scotland), Valentine (Dublin)
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arthurk
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Yes!! I think we are connected!
Very briefly, I had some professional research done a couple of years ago, looking into the Harcourts and Gibsons of Ballyworkan and surrounding areas. The only Gibson found there in 1828 was Jeremiah, and over time his land passed to William Gibson, and later to Jeremiah Pentland. Sure enough, William Gibson's will (1889) left everything to his "nephew Jeremiah Pentland" - strongly suggesting that my Jane, your Martha, and the above William, were brother and sisters.
I'm sending you a private message - maybe we can continue this off list.
Arthur
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Researching among others: Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy, Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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downpatrick
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My great-grandfather was Jeremiah Pentland from Ballyworkan. My grandfather was his son James Pentland. When I was young I always heard the story that James went to Canada - Vancouver Island I think - with some of his brothers and enlisted in the Canadian army in 1917. He was in Europe fighting, in France, took leave and came back to Portadown where he met my grandmother. She agreed to marry him but didn't want to go to Canada so he came back to Northern Ireland. I recently found his enlistment papers on the internet because the Canadian army has scanned all the old papers and made them available. He's on http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/573464a.gif.
When I was young we used to have Canadian cousins come to visit us the odd time in Downpatrick, Northern Ireland, so you must be one of those or related to one of those.
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arthurk
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Another cousin!
I'm not sure whether Alison is monitoring the board at the moment, but I'll let her know you've posted.
Arthur
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Researching among others: Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy, Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Christopher
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Ballyworkan Townland is mentioned on Connors Genealogy, Ireland GenWeb.
Broken link?
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arthurk
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Thanks for the link!
Arthur
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Researching among others: Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy, Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Roxanna
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Hi,
We have a George Pentland married to a Jane/Jennie Anderson. George was the son of Alexander and Elizabeth Pentland. He was born abt 1806.
Some of their family were born in Seagoe Parish, before he moved to Derrykeevan, Tartaraghan and had the rest of their family.
Some of their children were
George, Jr.
Thomas married Deborah Ann SImonton from Derrylard
Jane Elizabeth married William Warnock
Lucy married a Thornton
Elizabeth married Joseph Black
I'm hoping you will recognize either Alexander and Elizabeth in your line, or George and Jane (Anderson) Pentland.
Best,
Roxanna
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kalasira
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hi,
i was just going trough different Irish site,s cos i am trying to my mum,s tree,and have hit a brick wall,i have been told ireland would be hard but not this hard,any way,my mum used to have a very good friend friend called Jennie pentland and she lived in Bangor,and if i am right she lived on everton street of crumlin road i have some letters from her that mention her family i will try and find them and let you no,thought you might be interested in this,hope to hear from you.
allthe best Jacquie
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iles,from kingswood bristol,gloucershire ,fudge,hawkins,crotty,powell,yates.,also kingswood,bristol.
fogg,from manchester,and hossock.from manchester.
dinsmore,devlin,larkin,patterson,McArthur,mahood,from belfast,antrim,.
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Roxanna
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Hi Jacquie,
Thank you for writing. I'd be very interested in the letters and whether Jennie Pentland referred to her family.
Look forward to hearing from you again.
Best,
Roxanna
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kalasira
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thanks for your message,i will look for the letters with in the next two days,if i remember rightly she was in wharf,s with my mum,i have a photo of some of them having a drink but i don,t no if one of them is Jeannie, but i will look and get back to you i no she lived in Bangor talk to you soon.
all the best,Jacquie,
p,s. my mum,s name was Mary Jane dinsmore but ever one called her may,
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iles,from kingswood bristol,gloucershire ,fudge,hawkins,crotty,powell,yates.,also kingswood,bristol.
fogg,from manchester,and hossock.from manchester.
dinsmore,devlin,larkin,patterson,McArthur,mahood,from belfast,antrim,.
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kalasira
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hi roxanna
asked some one if they could find the parent.s of some of my ancestor,s and they came back with the names john larkin married a Sarah morrow and i noticed you had also put morrow but i have only just found out i don,t know anything about here and have never heard of bally workan any way thought i would send it to any way,all the best Jacquie
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iles,from kingswood bristol,gloucershire ,fudge,hawkins,crotty,powell,yates.,also kingswood,bristol.
fogg,from manchester,and hossock.from manchester.
dinsmore,devlin,larkin,patterson,McArthur,mahood,from belfast,antrim,.
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gardenboffin
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Re; Armagh Pentlands - I have posted info of our Pentland family on a different page. I felt that your Pentland family has, at this stage, no connection with our family. But certainly may have in Scotland.
We have info on a Gilmerton Pentland Family which may/maynot be our original Scottish family.
I have not been able to find the link to the Portadown/Tandragee/Dumcree Pentland family.
Our GGrandfather William Pentland listed his parents on his wedding certificate as - Richard Pentland and Mary Ann Davis married in the Church of England and Ireland. We have not been able to find an actual record in the archives of this marriage ( Our William married in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 1854)
Richard and his father John are listed in the Griffiths Tythe book living in Dumcree.
The two children of Richard and Mary were baptised in Drumcree, but their births have not been found anywhere yet. - William and Davis written as Pendelton in the register. We do not know if there were other children.
Has been a while since I posted to any board. Seeking to share information on Armagh born Pentland families, particularly around Ballyworkan. I have photos of related and maybe-related family burials stones in Drumcree, Seagoe, and Mullavilly.
Also, I have alpha index of names for Pentland (and similar) for Scotland, Mid-Lothian Christening, Births and Marriages 1600-1800's.
Do you have this family listed on your alpha index Red Rover?
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Colin Y
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Hi
I have been working for some time on the Pentlands, especially the family in Lurgan c 1850 (my twig of the family) and the Pentlands of Gilford (I suspect a main branch of the root from Scotland) and I know there are connections between the two.
The Uprichards were also from Townlands near Gilford - mostly in the Parish of Tullylish.
The Uprichard/Pentland connection that I know of is:
Thomas PENTLAND (1830 - 21 Aug 1891)
b. 1830, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Armagh
d. 21 Aug 1891, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Armagh
| Jeremiah PENTLAND (1863 - )
| b. 1863, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Northern Ireland
| & Mrs PENTLAND
| | Robert Henry PENTLAND (1902 - )
| | b. 1902, Ballyworkan (Portadown) Northern Ireland
| | d. Calgary Canada
| | & Lillian UPRICHARD
| | b. Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh
| | d. Calgary, Canada
| | | son
| | James PENTLAND (1893 - )
| | b. 1893, Ballyworkan Portadown Armagh
| | d. Canada
| | Hugh PENTLAND (abt 1900 - )
| | b. abt 1900, Ballyworkan (Portadown)
I'd be delighted in anyone can offer me any refinements or additions to these folk?
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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