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Topic: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan. (Read 2625 times)
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Roxanna
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Hi Colin,
This is the info I found on the family. If you'd like I could send you more details and you could check out the info.
Roxanna
1 John Pentland b: in farmer d: in Balllyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland
....... 2 Thomas Pentland b: 1830 in Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland d: 21 Aug 1891 in Balllyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland
........... +Martha Gibson b: 1832 in Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh, Ireland m: 06 Feb 1851 in Portadown Church of Ireland, Lurgan, Armagh, N. Ireland Father: Jeremiah Gibson
................ 3 James (Jim) Pentland
................ 3 Jane Pentland
................ 3 Maggie Ann Pentland b: 1854 in Ballyworkan, Armagh, N. Ireland married Robert Kinney d: 1887
................ 3 John Pentland b: 1858 in Ballyworken, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland d: in Gortin married +Susan Gardiner ...............
*2nd Wife of John Pentland: Allie Dermot
................ 3 Elizabeth Mary Pentland b: 1860 in Ballyworkan, Armagh, N. Ireland
.................... +Unknown Murphy
................ 3 Jeremiah Pentland b: 1863 in Ballyworkan, Portadown, N. Ireland d: in Ballyworken, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland
.................... +Dinah Morrow b: 1864 in Stranolar, County Donegal, Ireland d: 1940 in Ballyworken, Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland m: 03 Sep 1889 in Portadown First Presbyterian Church, Seagoe, Lurgan, Armagh, N. Ireland Father: Isaac Morrow Mother: Agnes Rafferty
................ 3 Martha Agnes Pentland b: 12 Jun 1867 in Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland
.................... +Ralph Topley b: Abt. 1865 in Portadown, Armagh, N. Ireland
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RedRover
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Hello all and to Gardenboffin: Of the Scottish Pentland surname, I can locate no one name Richard, but there are many by the name William. However, in the "Mullavilly" Church cemetery there is a William J. Pentland who died 5 May 1863 - if this is a possible connection let me know. When I visited "Drumcree" Church in 2002, the caretaker said some of the graves held multiple bodies of the same family or another family would take over a grave that was not "sponsored". Headstones erode or crumble entirely only to be taken away as was the case for one of my/our Pentland ancestors. I cannot find more records other than Thomas Pentland's marriage certificate of 1851 (to Martha Gibson) stating his father was John Pentland. In the 1737 Tithes List there are no protestant householders in the Drumcree parish of 1740 named Pentland or it's derivatives.
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Pentland (Ballyworkan & Scotland), Prentice (Co Armagh), Uprichard (Portadown), Morrow (Ballyworkan), Macleod (Dumfries, Scotland) & Prince Edward Island), Graeme (Belfast&Scotland), Valentine (Dublin)
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arthurk
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However, in the "Mullavilly" Church cemetery there is a William J. Pentland who died 5 May 1863 - if this is a possible connection let me know.
There's an index and transcription of headstones at Mullavilly at http://www.bob-sinton.com/index.php - including some Pentlands. (The site generally relates to the Sinton family, but for Mullavilly there are records for many more (all?) names.) However, this transcript gives the William J Pentland inscription as 1963. My connection with Pentlands is a bit distant (via the Gibsons) so I can't really comment on which date is more likely to be correct.
Arthur
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Researching among others: Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy, Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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gardenboffin
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Thanks for your input RedRover. Unfortunately for me, no relatives on this site seem to be part of our Pentland Family. .. Other than Colin Y. have any info on
William John PENTLAND b.12 Sept. 1854, Drumaran. Parents Davis PENTLAND and Elizabeth KITCHEN. There is a William John PENTLAND listed on the Quacker site wherever that is, as I have not been able to find it so cannot have this confirmed.
Arthurk, your post has come through while I was typing. Is it possible the burial of William J. PENTLAND 1863 at 'Mullavilly' church cemetery is the one we are looking for died at the age of 11. ?? Have you any other details.?
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gardenboffin
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Thanks for that site , arthur. I had a look and think that that particular William John PENTLAND is indeed a 1963 burial as Jessie underneath is 1970's. I don't think it stated how old they were.
quote author=arthurk link=topic=150187.msg2509647#msg2509647 date=1240744388]
However, in the "Mullavilly" Church cemetery there is a William J. Pentland who died 5 May 1863 - if this is a possible connection let me know.
There's an index and transcription of headstones at Mullavilly at http://www.bob-sinton.com/index.php - including some Pentlands. (The site generally relates to the Sinton family, but for Mullavilly there are records for many more (all?) names.) However, this transcript gives the William J Pentland inscription as 1963. My connection with Pentlands is a bit distant (via the Gibsons) so I can't really comment on which date is more likely to be correct.
Arthur
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arthurk
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Arthurk, your post has come through while I was typing. Is it possible the burial of William J. PENTLAND 1863 at 'Mullavilly' church cemetery is the one we are looking for died at the age of 11. ?? Have you any other details.?
Sorry, no. Bob Sinton, the owner of the site I quoted, contacted me a couple of years or so ago to tell me about the transcripts of some Harcourt memorials in Mullavilly (my ancestors  ), but I haven't had any other contact with him and don't know any more about the data on the site.
Arthur
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Researching among others: Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy, Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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gardenboffin
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OK Arthur, I'll just keep on looking!
Audrey
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RedRover
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Here is a photo of the long view of two Pentland plots in Mullavilly with the marker of which I was speaking for William of 1863 and for Jessie of 1973 in the background (the light gray site). The darker site, in the foreground is also Pentland of Ballyworkan, but with more recent dates (John S. died 1999 age 66; Annie died 1950 age 46; and Thomas Henry died 1983 age 91). Also in between there is a floral urn for Frederick in memoriam, but no dates.
In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath).
There may be more markers at Mullavilly, but my sister lost her photo disk !!
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Pentland (Ballyworkan & Scotland), Prentice (Co Armagh), Uprichard (Portadown), Morrow (Ballyworkan), Macleod (Dumfries, Scotland) & Prince Edward Island), Graeme (Belfast&Scotland), Valentine (Dublin)
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Colin Y
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Yes, thanks for that.
I know that there were Pentland Friends at Moyallan too.
My Gt Gt Grandfather Robert Pentland of Hoope Hill, Lurgan married an Ester or Hester who it seems was either a Sifton/Sefton or Sinton at Tullylish in 1855? I suspect his first wife, Anne Elizabeth, may have passd away at some time after their two children Joseph George (1851) and Isabella Jane (1853) were born. Any info?
Anne Elizabeth is herself a mystery - the marriage record shows she was Anne Beatty/ie nee McLelland which LDS has taken as gospel without proving who she was!
Colin
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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gardenboffin
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Hello, Red Rover, Yes a printing error somewhere?
The grave stone definitely says 1863. Have not been able to find his death yet on any of the sites. Is there a place I can write to for details of this William J. Pentland. The cemetary management? or similar?
Audrey.
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RedRover
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Hello Audrey (and hello Colin I did get your kind email thanks!) I have had similar trouble locating records for birth and deaths. I don't believe the church records have been transcribed for Drumcree, Mullavilly, Seagoe or the 1st and 2nd Presbyterian or Methodist congregations in Portadown. I spoke once with the caretaker at Drumcree and he said it was a good idea to transcribe the records and record the markers in case they are damaged over time, but who will do it? I briefly thought about spending a summer in Portadown entering records into a database, lovely pipe dream! It never hurts to write to the church in Mullavilly and ask, particularly now that you have a photo of Pentland markers in their cemetary, or you contact the Armash Ancestry Center to hire someone to do research. Just keep chipping away at it.
Alison
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Pentland (Ballyworkan & Scotland), Prentice (Co Armagh), Uprichard (Portadown), Morrow (Ballyworkan), Macleod (Dumfries, Scotland) & Prince Edward Island), Graeme (Belfast&Scotland), Valentine (Dublin)
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Roxanna
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Hi Alison,
If you are the Alison of AFP, who has been researching Pentlands in Drumcree and Seagoe, can I ask if you have a George Pentland married to a Jane/Jennie Anderson in your line.
They were married at Drumgor abt 1822. George and Jane soon moved to Derrykeevan in Tartaraghan Parish. His father was Alexander and his mother was Elizabeth abt 1768-1848.
Thanks,
Roxanna
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Alegou
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Red Rover, I presume that the Annie Pentland you mentioned below, last paragraph, is the wife of George Pentland, married in 1852 at Mullavilly CI. Ann's maiden name was Miller and George's father was also called George. I also rather presume that the Fredrick mentioned was the son of James PENDLETON and Ann Gilmour who were married in 1854, father of James was also called George. Presume also that George and James were brothers, despite the recorded surname difference..
I also have photographs of those gravestones although not as good as yours. If Northern Ireland is known for its dull days then there were none duller on the day I visited Mullavilly graveyard.
David
"Here is a photo of the long view of two Pentland plots in Mullavilly with the marker of which I was speaking for William of 1863 and for Jessie of 1973 in the background (the light gray site). The darker site, in the foreground is also Pentland of Ballyworkan, but with more recent dates (John S. died 1999 age 66; Annie died 1950 age 46; and Thomas Henry died 1983 age 91). Also in between there is a floral urn for Frederick in memoriam, but no dates.
In another site there is a marker for Ann Pentland died 1876 age 45 and George her husband who died at Ballylisk in 1873 at 64 and son W.H. who died in in action in 1916 at age 45 (also names of Whiteside & Redpath)."
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