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Topic: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan. (Read 2621 times)
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KatC
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There is a baptism at Seagoe Parish May 29, 1825 (possibly 24th) for Thomas, son of John and Jane Pendleton who lived in McKaughley with George Gardiner as one of the sponsors. Possibly this is the Thomas being mentioned as born 1830.
This townland might become CrossMcKaughley and then Crossmacahilly, anyone know?? John and Alexander m. Rachel are there in Griffith's.
Also, does anyone have information on the Lillian Uprichard. There is a 1 year old Lillie in the 1901 census. William John Uprichard 41 farmer Co Down Mary Ann 38 Co Down Mary Eliza 17 Armagh, Samuel 16 Armagh, James 6 Armagh Ellen Jane 4Armagh Lillie 1 Armagh of Tamnifiglasson , Co Armagh with parents born in Co Down. Is this the lady? Was brother Robert older or younger?
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Hello Guys
Ken... is the snow over and the land to wet for the bike yet? Happy to see you are still IN to Gen! Todays papers tell us the Royal Wills will no longer be locked so I should be able to see Prince Francis Will at last which may slve my Nahneen & Algorta parentage questions!
Kat - et al.. take car with the Pentleton/Pendleton espec in North west Down - there are several pentland baptisms and marriages where the priest 'got the name wrong'.
The majority of my Pentlands at that time were in County Down in Tullylish Parish, espec in Tullylish, Gilford (not act a Townland) and Drumaran Townlands. Some moved to and from Banbridge and married partners from that town. Some were in nearby Tullyrain too and some in Lurgan, only a few miles north and accross the border in County Armagh. Between Lurgan and Armagh City there are more Pentlands at Portadown andand the Seagoe cemetery is full of the family. Crossmacahilly is a Townland in Seagoe Parish, see Bob Sintons maps at http://www.bob-sinton.com/maps2/map4.php
Uprichard is a well established Tullylish family and when I was there in 2004 there was a senior male member still alive and living in a grandhouse near the riverside and Tullylish Church. My info (always ready to be corrected suggests:
Jeremiah PENTLAND (1863 - )
b. 1863, Ballyworkan (Portadown), Co. Armagh, Ireland
& Mrs Jeremiah P
| James PENTLAND (1893 - )
| b. 1893, Ballyworkan Portadown, Co. Armagh, Ireland
| d. Canada
| Hugh PENTLAND (abt 1900 - )
| b. abt 1900, Ballyworkan, (Portadown) Co. Armagh, Ireland
| Robert Henry PENTLAND (1902 - )
| b. 1902, Ballyworkan, (Portadown), Co. Armagh, Ireland
| d. Calgary Canada
| & Lillian UPRICHARD
| b. Ballyworkan, Portadown, Armagh
| d. Calgary, Canada
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Since this Lillians husband was born 1902 its pretty safe to assume Lillians birth at about the same time so iut is probably the same family - the Townland is probably Tamnafiglassan which is close to Kernan and Drumnagoon were there are other Pentlands.
Does any of this help?
Colin
I have a bundle of in that area
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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Alegou
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So if the name changed so much then that might mean that the John Pendleton who married a Judith Brownlee in Mullavilly CI in 1845 was really a Pentland. One of the witnesses at the wedding was called Thomas Babe and there was also a Thomas Babe who was also a witness at a William Pendleton/Sarah Robinson marriage in 1862 at Mullavilly CI, although in this particular instance William Pendleton, unlike the above, came from Gilford in Co. Down. And then of course there was a Sarah Pentland who married a John Babe at Mullavilly CI in 1848 and then they went to live in Gilford, Co. Down.
You could ask the question what came first Pentland or Pendleton or Gilford or Mullavilly.
David
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Colin Y
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Uncle Fred - England XI 1908 - POW Berlin 1914-19
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Yes, Dave, I believe you are correct, there are Babe /Petland connections too. One of my correspondents (another (?) David) is in to that family.
As to the chicken and egg situation I positively invite you to look for historical Pendletons in the British Isles! I fear you will find none but if you look for history on Pentlands you will find there are of course important place names in Scotland including our name and there is historic evidence for the family back to Orkney in viking times... but then you knew that.
ERGO the subsets are mostly due to priestly reluctance to check what they are told or to trust their Birth/Marriage/Death informants information or simple misspelling or poor hearing or failure to decipher the accent.
If you look at the body of Pentland evidence in Ireland it is evident that they came from the east (Scotland mostly) and settled ibncreasingly in an westerly direction. There must be a Pentland who was born in the Banbridge, Lurgan, Armagh City triangle, possibly around Gilford or in the Parish of Tullylish, at or about 1740 who was the father of some of those children who were born around there between 1765 and 1810. A helpful friend with access to LDS 'suggested'it was a George William Pentland and his wife Mary Alison Armor Graham. I have never been that comfortable with this couples bona fideis. I think my friens was being 'over helpful' - they soon after, appeared on LDS as the parents of John Pentland (my 4Xgt grandfather) and Mary Pentland, mother of John Pentland Draney, said to be the 5th most senior leader of the Mormons. I may be over suspicious, but...
Colin
PS David - Email me (*) if you want a copy of the list of Pentlands I have 1720-1820 - this does not include my family and shows d of b where known, place of birth(where kn...) parents anmes (where.) and spouse name (w....) usual exclusions re publication, citation, etc are conditions of sharing.
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« Last Edit: Sunday 26 July 09 16:45 UTC (UK) by aghadowey »
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YARWOOD in Warks/Ches/Staffs/Salop/Worcs but also in London - Northants, Lincs and adj counties.
PENTLAND in Warks/Worcs/Staffs, IRL: Arm & Down. NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800. ORKNEY earlier
COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
FRYER/FRIAR Ulster SCO
BROOKES in WARKS/WORCS Moseley, RA
WRIGHT Northants
JENNER/LASCELLES ENG AUS
CHILD almost anywhere
MURLY/MURLEY Som & Dors NZ Brazil
READER & ROGERS Derby & Bucks, RODGERS Derby
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downpatrick
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Good morning,
Jeremiah Pentland (b. 1863) and Dinah Morrow (b. 1864) were the parents of James Pentland (b. 1893) as per Colin V's tree below. However the comment "d. Canada" isn't quite right. He did originally go to Canada with his brother and enlisted in the Canadian army, but he came back to Portadown to get married and stayed there. He had three children: Muriel, Gordon and Evelyn. He died in Portadown in 1960 or 1961.
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legal_translator
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I was very interesting to see the various Pentland postings and have just joined RootsChat to be able to post my query. I know very little about my Pentland ancestors, as I have never managed to do research locally.
My great grandmother Harriet Campbell (b. 1852 Woolwich) was the daughter of Joseph Campbell and Mary Pentland. The father came from Drumcree and I presume the mother did too (or from that area).
According to the census, Mary Pentland was born in 1820. Her husband Joseph Campbell, born about 1823, joined the Royal Artillery in 1847. Their first child was born about 1842 so they must have married in about 1841. Their other children were Mary Ann, Elizabeth, James, Joseph and Margaret.
So if anyone has a record of a Mary Pentland born 1820 who could be my ancestor I would be very grateful to find out more information on her family, to take the line back further if possible.
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