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broome heather
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Hi
I'm having trouble with my James Brunton b abt 1806 or 1807 - he lived in Shotts, Lanark, but in every Census he says he was born in Newlands Peebles. Trouble is, the only one I can find in the OPR has a James Brunton as father & no mother's name. My James's death certificate has parents as John Brunton & Ann Greens [I think] - the informant was James's son John but I have found that informants aren't always reliable (though the "Ann Greens" part is a bit too specific to be a wild guess, I suspect).
Can anyone please help?
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MonicaLesl
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I don't know if you have all the children's names from James's marriage. You might find some clues there if James and his wife followed scottish naming traditions for their children:
For sons:
1st son after paternal grandfather
2nd son after maternal grandfather
3rd son after Father
4th son after the father's eldest brother.
For daughters:
1st daughter after maternal grandmother
2nd daughter after paternal grandmother
3rd daughter after mother
4th daughter after the mother's eldest sister.
Also, if you're lucky (!), the use of family surnames as middle names for children can also help you determine family lines.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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broome heather
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Thanks Monica, yes & this is one of the reasons I'm not sure about the only James Brunton I can find born in Newlands at the right time.
If I went with the children's names I'd have father William & mother Jean. But then, another problem is that I can't find the children's birth registrations & have only got the names from successive censuses, so I could be missing some eg there's not a James amongst them when you'd think there would be.
The marriage was 23/2/1835 at Carnwath.
The first two censuses are thus:-
1841 Census
Coltness Iron Works, Cambusnethan, Lanark
James Brunton 30 Coal M b Outside Census County;
Helen Beveridge 25 b Lanarkshire;
William Brunton 5 b Lanarkshire;
Robert Brunton 3 b Lanarkshire; [mother's father]
Margaret Brunton 1 b Lanarkshire [mother's mother]
1851 Census
No 6 Long Row, Shotts, Lanark
Household:
James Brunton Head Mar 43 Coal Miner b Peeblesshire, Newlands;
Helen Beveridge Wife Mar 38 b Lanarkshire, Shotts;
William Brunton Son U 15 Coal Miner b Lanarkshire, Carnwath;
Robert Brunton Son U 13 Coal Miner b Lanarkshire, Carnwath; [mother's father]
Margaret Brunton Daur U 10 Scholar b Lanarkshire, Shotts; [mother's mother]
John Brunton Son U 8 Scholar b Lanarkshire, Shotts;
Jean Brunton Daur U 4 Scholar b Lanarkshire, Cambusnethan;
Helen Brunton Daur 2 b Lanarkshire, Shotts; [mother]
John Brunton Brother U 38 b Lanarkshire, Carnwath
Do you know - are the Parish registers in Pebblesshire generally reasonably complete? I suppose it depended on whether people got around to registering births - except most babies would have been baptised, wouldn't they?
Any extra thoughts you can add would be much appreciated.
[Is this another brick wall? Hmm]
Regards
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MonicaLesl
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Mmm! You have a puzzle here if you go by Scottish Naming patters only. If only James had a Lanarkshire birth place on his census returns I would have his whole family for you (I think!).
Going by the censuses alone, there is no apparent connection to Peebles at all is there. He married in Lanarkshire. His brother John was from there. His wife and children were also all born in Lanarkshire.......except he's put a Peebles birth place ?!
I have found a family that would be a good fit for his birth year, brother John and parents' names (Ann Robertson not Green).
A John Brunton m. an Ann Robertson on 29 Oct 1803 in Old Monkland, Lanarkshire. This is an actual extract from OPRs. There is a second submitted entry which gives Shotts as the place (Shotts features strongly in James's census returns).
From IGI, the following children show for this couple. With the exception of the first child, all are actual extract from OPRs, Elizabeth is a submitted entry.
1. Elizabeth 18 Mar 1804 Old Monkland
2. James 02 Jan 1806 Glasgow
3. Janet 9 Aug 1807 Barony, Glasgow
4. John 26 Nov 1809 Barony, Glasgow
5. Anne 5 Jan 1812 Stewarton Ayr
On 1841 FreeCen there is an entry for what looks like John Snr and Ann living alone:
BRUNTON John, age 55 Outside Census County (1841)
BRUNTON Ann, age 55 Outside Census County (1841)
Address: Doonholm Lodge, Ayr, Ayrshire
I've looked at IGI for Helen Beveridge and her family. I see from a parent search that the names William and Jean feature early on in the list of children for her parents (44 entries! Mostly multiple sumbitted entries).
So there we go, I'm no closer to solving your puzzle. Just more questions than answers!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Heather
I've just blown my own grain of a theory! I've just found a Pedigree File on Family
Search for the James Brunton (mother Ann Robertson) that I referred to in my last post. Not our man after all. This one married a Janet Hardie in 1843. Pity!
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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broome heather
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Thanks for trying, Monica. I'm thinking that the Newlands Peebles birthplace James insists on in the Censuses must be for a reason, & even if all other family members were born elsewhere, maybe in the time his mother was pregnant with him & gave birth his father had found work in Newlands Parish & then they moved on again - I don't know. If that's the case though it's unlikely, isn't it, that memorial inscriptions on gravestones would help? I was hoping someone "out there" might have an idea of how to find transcriptions of those in Newlands [assuming there's a cemetery there] somewhere.
The James Brunton father of a James Brunton born in 1807 mentions Sunnyside, which I assume is the name of a farm but I can't find it on any old maps.
O well - thanks for your time anyway!
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Heather
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Heather
I've been racking my brains with your Bruntons the last couple of days as you can see from my last two posts! I think a possible route to follow is maybe through the brother John who shows in the 1851 census. I've found his death cert. He was living with his sister Helen and her family in 1881 in Midlothian. His (John's) parents were James B and Helen Thom. Helen Thom was born and raised in Newlands. I have her family from IGI. John, brother of James, was born in Carnwarth. I'll send you a PM with more details.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Heather
Regarding James's birth place, this is the URL ref for Sunnyside in Newlands from Old Maps. It is just slightly east of Dod Head:
www.old-maps.co.uk/oldmaps/index_external.jsp?easting=317396&northing=651500&countyCode=77
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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