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Elaine48
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Hi, this is my first time posting. I also read that Valmai
was offering to do NZ look-ups and if she reads this I would be so grateful if you would look something up for me too.
Sounds like a familiar story. Grandmother has baby and runs away to NZ. Mine left around the 1920's and eventually owned a boarding house in Wellington. I have tried for years to find out any info about her.
Her name was Jane Moffat (or Jean) Millar. b, 1893 Newbattle Edinburgh. Left Cardenden Fife for NZ around 1920. Married then divorced a Guy Matthews
timber merchant of Wellington.
I dearly love to find her death or marriage info and info about the boarding house which I believe is still there.
She may have died around 1967 - 1970.
Thanks so much to Valmai or anyone that could help me.
Elaine
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MILLAR, MCINTOSH, JAMIESON, MOFFAT, PRYDE/PRIDE, PEEBLES, PEACOCK, CHEYNE, THOMSON, ALL COAL MINERS FROM THE LOTHIANS
Then Millars, Jamiesons, Moffats in Fife, esp. Auchterderran.
Matthews - Devon & Wellington NZ
Danniell - Bourne Lincoln
Halliday & Holden - Ireland and Nelson NZ
McRae - Inverness & Canterbury NZ
McKAY/McCAY, McFADDEN, RODGERS, CONAGHAN, O'BRIEN,
GALLAGHER, ALL FARMERS FROM DONEGAL
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Elaine48
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I'm sorry I had no idea either of you had replied to me until today.
Kathy, Guy could have been Matthew he could even have been Mathieson. He may also have married a woman named Betty later on. Any connection do you think?
Tor, thank you so much for looking for her death and marriage. They may have been married in London before they sailed to NZ but she most definately died in Wellington. I am trying to recall this all from memory as no-one is left who remembers that time. Maybe she died before 1966 or after 1971. I just had 1969 stuck in my head but I could be completely wrong.
thanks again,
Elaine
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MILLAR, MCINTOSH, JAMIESON, MOFFAT, PRYDE/PRIDE, PEEBLES, PEACOCK, CHEYNE, THOMSON, ALL COAL MINERS FROM THE LOTHIANS
Then Millars, Jamiesons, Moffats in Fife, esp. Auchterderran.
Matthews - Devon & Wellington NZ
Danniell - Bourne Lincoln
Halliday & Holden - Ireland and Nelson NZ
McRae - Inverness & Canterbury NZ
McKAY/McCAY, McFADDEN, RODGERS, CONAGHAN, O'BRIEN,
GALLAGHER, ALL FARMERS FROM DONEGAL
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riley
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Hi Elaine,
I'm getting nowhere, and the added variation of MATHIESON just adds to the fog. Another complication is that Jane/Jean Moffat MATTHEWS nee MILLAR might have remarried, and hence buried under that surname.
Are you able to confirm that Jane/Jean Moffat MILLAR was using this surname when she emigrated?
Is the source for the MATTHEWS name and marriage date anecdotal, but do you have any documentary evidence for it?
Do you have any address for her or Guy MATTHEWS in Wellington, such as this boarding house?
What about the baby you referred to? Did the child also emigrate, and if so, what was it's name and approximate age?
Regards, riley
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Elaine48
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Hi Riley,
Sorry to be so vague. It is a family
story that she married this Guy Matthews either in London or NZ.
I did find a marriage for a Jean Millar and Guy Matthews in St. Giles Parish London in 1920 but my cousin who lives in London and said he would get it for me still hasn't been forthcoming. So I don't know if it is them. If so, she would probably have entered NZ with his surname.
On my dad's marriage certificate it has under grooms parents, her name: Jean Millar and then: since married to a Guy Matthews, timber merchant of Wellington.
No she never married again after the divorce, and the baby she left behind was my dad who didn't emigrate and was raised by her parents. Dad died in 1989 and he knew nothing much about her. She did return to Scotland around 1958 when I was about 3 -supposedly to retire but neither my dad or her siblings wanted her, the latter never having forgiven her for leaving a baby and walking away so she returned to NZ where she died alone. She paid her own way there and back.
We were told she left all her money to the church which was most likely Scottish Presbyterian.
I did have the address of the boarding house I will look for it tomorrow.
Thanks again,
Elaine
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MILLAR, MCINTOSH, JAMIESON, MOFFAT, PRYDE/PRIDE, PEEBLES, PEACOCK, CHEYNE, THOMSON, ALL COAL MINERS FROM THE LOTHIANS
Then Millars, Jamiesons, Moffats in Fife, esp. Auchterderran.
Matthews - Devon & Wellington NZ
Danniell - Bourne Lincoln
Halliday & Holden - Ireland and Nelson NZ
McRae - Inverness & Canterbury NZ
McKAY/McCAY, McFADDEN, RODGERS, CONAGHAN, O'BRIEN,
GALLAGHER, ALL FARMERS FROM DONEGAL
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riley
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Hi Elaine,
That helps enormously. I strongly suspect that the 1920 St Giles marriage is them, which explains why I've unable to find a NZ marriage and probably removes the name MILLAR from the NZ story.
With the estrangement of the families it's probably not surprising if your dad's marriage certificate details relating to his mother could be inaccurate. As I'm discovering with my own mob, there is usually an element of truth in family stories, and they're often a very good place to start.
If you can get me the address of the boarding house and the likely dates she lived there or operated it, i'll look again.
Regards, riley
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STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
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riley
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Hi Elaine,
Well, I found Guy MATTHEWS at least.
1922 Supplementary Electoral Roll for Wellington North.
fiche 63, page 34.
#9692 MATTHEWS Guy, 137 Dixon Street, sawmiller.
There was no other Mattthews with the same address. I then checked that roll and all the other Wellington electoral rolls for MATTHEWS Jane/Jean and MILLA/ER Jane/Jean but without success. I did find a Jean MILLAR in the Wellington Central Supplementary Roll of 45 Aro Street, married: but she had a different husband, so I doubt it's her.
Regards, riley
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RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
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Elaine48
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Hi Riley,
Yes, that is definitely him!! Thanks so much.
Any idea what a saw miller is? Is it an owner or employee of a timber mill?
I finally found the paper I was looking for. Years ago, someone kindly found this for me:
Wises Post Directories:
1929 & 1931 Guy Matthews Timber Merchant, 180 Abel Smith St, Wellington.
1940 Mrs. Guy Matthews 18 Portland Cres, Wellington. This may have been the boarding house Jean owned.
If she wasn't on the electoral roll what's the possibilty she never became a citizen?
And where on earth did she die if her death isn't in Wellington? I am going to get the shock of my life if I find out she died in Scotland!!
Thanks so much for helping me,
Elaine
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MILLAR, MCINTOSH, JAMIESON, MOFFAT, PRYDE/PRIDE, PEEBLES, PEACOCK, CHEYNE, THOMSON, ALL COAL MINERS FROM THE LOTHIANS
Then Millars, Jamiesons, Moffats in Fife, esp. Auchterderran.
Matthews - Devon & Wellington NZ
Danniell - Bourne Lincoln
Halliday & Holden - Ireland and Nelson NZ
McRae - Inverness & Canterbury NZ
McKAY/McCAY, McFADDEN, RODGERS, CONAGHAN, O'BRIEN,
GALLAGHER, ALL FARMERS FROM DONEGAL
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riley
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Hi Elaine,
'Sawmiller' could mean either, I think.
The Wises'sDirectories listings are illuminating. Owners of businesses paid to have an entry in such directories if I recall correctly, so the implication of the 1929 and 1931 entries is that Guy and Jean could have been living together then, but by 1940 they had separated, divorced, or she was widowed.
Both Abel Smith Street in Te Aro and Portland Crescent in Thorndon are in central Wellington, but about 3km apart. Was 18 Portland Crescent the address of the boarding house you mentioned?
At least we've now know who to look for,and that she was still Jean MATTHEWS in 1940. I'll search for a second marriage or a death.
Manana, riley
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MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
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Elaine48
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Wow! That's incredible. Thank you so much for doing that. My email address is ::
A wee bit late, sorry, but email address removed by moderator to prevent spam and other abuse. Please use secure PM system to exchange personal information.
Can't WAIT to see them!
Thanks
Elaine
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MILLAR, MCINTOSH, JAMIESON, MOFFAT, PRYDE/PRIDE, PEEBLES, PEACOCK, CHEYNE, THOMSON, ALL COAL MINERS FROM THE LOTHIANS
Then Millars, Jamiesons, Moffats in Fife, esp. Auchterderran.
Matthews - Devon & Wellington NZ
Danniell - Bourne Lincoln
Halliday & Holden - Ireland and Nelson NZ
McRae - Inverness & Canterbury NZ
McKAY/McCAY, McFADDEN, RODGERS, CONAGHAN, O'BRIEN,
GALLAGHER, ALL FARMERS FROM DONEGAL
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riley
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Hi Elaine,
I spent a couple of hours at the library looking for the MATTHEWS, but didn’t get very far.
I checked the Wellington Electoral Rolls for 1922-1924 inclusive, but no luck. However;
1929 Wellington Central Electoral Roll. p.136
#6724 MATTHEWS Guy McRae, 22 Oriental Tce, merchant.
He was the only Matthews at that address, and there were no Jean Matthews in this Roll or Supplementary Rolls.
1931 Wellington Central Electoral Roll. p.146
#7244 MATTHEWS Guy McRae, 22 Oriental Tce, merchant.
Again, he was the only one of that name at that address, and she did not appear in this or Supplementary Rolls.
1941 Wellington Electoral Rolls – no record.
I checked the RGO indexes for a marriage of Jean Matthews from 1921-1945 inclusive, and found one: the 1940 marriage of a Jean MATTHEWS, which I matched using Varcoes Marriage Index to a John Hamilton ALEXANDER (folio 14099).
I then looked for her with this surname in the Wellington 1941 electoral rolls, but didn’t find her. It’s quite likely that this marriage isn’t her and probably took place elsewhere in NZ, but it will be necessary to get the marriage certificate to prove it.
I checked Wises NZPO Directory 1942 and found this:
Pg.1376
“MATTHEWS Mrs Guy 18 Portland Crs Wel”There was no record of him.
From my own experience with NZ Trade Directories such as Wises, I recommend that you don’t place too much reliance on their information. These directories often lagged behind persons changes of address and occupation. Use them only as a rough guide as to persons historical locations, and try to confirm it using electoral rolls.
Lastly, I checked the computer database of Wellington’s Karori Cemetery burials. There is a Jean Matthews buried there, died 1938, but she was the fourth daughter of a Col. DUNBAR, Royal Scots Fusiliers. No Guy Matthews buried there.
Regards, riley
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RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
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Elaine48
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Hi Riley,
I'm sorry you went to all that trouble. Since we last communicated I've found out just about everything about my gran, including the fact that she changed her first name to Betty. Goodness
knows why. Her and Guy were married in 1920 in London with her using the name Betty even then.
Both the Guy McRae Matthews you mentioned are him, actually I don't have either of those so that is great. Also the Mrs. Matthews is my gran too. By that time they were seperated. They never divorced but must have been seperated for a long time before their deaths. She died in 1968 in Lower Hutt, he died in 1971 in Auckland. I have also since discovered Matthews wasn't his real name but the name of his step-father. They story is much more complicated than even I dreamed of. Just recently I've been contacted by a descendant of Guy's uncle which as you can guess I am astonished by.
Anyway thank you so very much for your help. I will add those electoral rolls to my notes on the 2 of them.
All the best,
Elaine
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MILLAR, MCINTOSH, JAMIESON, MOFFAT, PRYDE/PRIDE, PEEBLES, PEACOCK, CHEYNE, THOMSON, ALL COAL MINERS FROM THE LOTHIANS
Then Millars, Jamiesons, Moffats in Fife, esp. Auchterderran.
Matthews - Devon & Wellington NZ
Danniell - Bourne Lincoln
Halliday & Holden - Ireland and Nelson NZ
McRae - Inverness & Canterbury NZ
McKAY/McCAY, McFADDEN, RODGERS, CONAGHAN, O'BRIEN,
GALLAGHER, ALL FARMERS FROM DONEGAL
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