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slewi4
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I have a few questions that I hope someone can answer:
I have found the marriage of Robert BROWN and Jane HALL 8 Feb 1834 at St John's Newcastle. These are the only details from my familyhistoryonline's index - would there be more details (e.g. parents names) in another source? What is it, and where can I access it?
Robert and Jane had at least 4 children: William, Elizabeth, Mary Ann, and Robert, all baptised at Gosforth, but the 1851 Census (HO107/2412/486/6) says that the younger 3 were born in Fawdon. William is not with them - died maybe? I have had a look on a map, and the 2 towns are not exactly close. Can anyone suggest a reason for baptising the children out of their town of birth? Neither of the parents appear to be from there.
Thanks
Sandra
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England: Brown Kingscliffe NTH, Ellis Balsall WAR, Lewis Hereford HEF, Oliver Morpeth NBL, Wall Coventry/Balsall WAR, Watkins Eardisley/Clifford HEF
Ireland: Culhane Limerick; Doolan Clare
Wales: Lewis BRE/DEN, Jones Eglwysbach DEN
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Michael Dixon
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Sandra,
I hope you are using a modern map, to check out out situatons and events in the 1800s.
As Helen K advises get into Genuki, to see Parish maps and gazetteers of the day.
Also be aware that some census enumerators recorded
"parish of birth" rather than"place of birth" , but not your 1851 man ( no women enumerators until 1891)
Longbenton Parish baptisms and marriages is another which sometimes raises questions... as the Longbenton Parish territory went right around the west of Newcastle, once including Walker on the bank of the Tyne.
Michael Dixon
Blyth ( the western bit once in Horton Parish, the eastern bit once in Earsdon Parish)
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Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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Michael Dixon
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Oops, I should have written " ... NOT using a modern map "
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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slewi4
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Hi Audrey, Helen and Michael,
Yes I was using a modern map - The AA Road Atlas of Great Britain has Gosforth about 3km north of Newcastle-upon-tyne, and Fawdon more than 70km away (about 15km west of Alnwick), hence my confusion. Now that I have used the old map link its making a lot more sense 
Thanks very much
I've followed the link to St Johns and found that the registers are held at the Northumberland Record Office which will be closed until late this year. I don't live in the UK anyway, but I see they have a postal research service (which I assume will also be closed), so I'll have to wait. But, will the registers have more information than the index?
Thanks
Sandra
P.S. Audrey, its Robert Brown 37yrs Coal miner b. Durham Shields, Jane Brown, 41 b. NBL Whitley, and 3 children Elizabeth 12, Mary 9, and Robert 5 all b. Fawdon. The eldest child was William born circa 1835.
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England: Brown Kingscliffe NTH, Ellis Balsall WAR, Lewis Hereford HEF, Oliver Morpeth NBL, Wall Coventry/Balsall WAR, Watkins Eardisley/Clifford HEF
Ireland: Culhane Limerick; Doolan Clare
Wales: Lewis BRE/DEN, Jones Eglwysbach DEN
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Michael Dixon
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Sandra,
Yes, the Northumberland County Record Office (CRO) is closed, but the "main" holder of the records of St John's Parish Newcastle, is the Tyne & Wear Archives, which itself is in Newcastle,and is not closed.
This T & W Archives is the equivalent of a CRO for Newcastle Gateshead etc area , which lies between the Counties of Northumberland and Durham .
I go to T & W archs regularly... I will look up this 1834 marriage ( and as I wrote in a long-winded mail that disappeared into the Ether 15 mins ago) It will contain no more info that the index, other than the names/signatures of two witnesses. Inclusion of fathers of the spouses and their occupations did not become standard until the big bang in 1837.
I also said tracing the baptisms of Robert and Jane ( yes it will not be easy with names of Brown and Hall) would provide you with the names of the four parents.
With Jane born at Whitley ( Whitley Bay .. on a modern map.. LOL ) that task might be a bit easier than Robert born at South Shields, Co Durham.
Google "Naming Pattern" to see how English couples named their children by a convention based on the couple's parents and siblings ( but infant deaths sometimes messed this up)
Michael Dixon
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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slewi4
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Thank you for your offer Michael. That would be great - fingers crossed that the witnesses provide a clue.
Sorry Audrey, I thought that I had made it clear in my first message that the wife's name was Jane HALL (this is definate, as I have Mary Ann's Australian death certificate - naming both parents), and that their 4 known children were all baptised at Gosforth. I do apologise for any confusion and hope that you haven't gone out of your way to find this information.
Sandra
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England: Brown Kingscliffe NTH, Ellis Balsall WAR, Lewis Hereford HEF, Oliver Morpeth NBL, Wall Coventry/Balsall WAR, Watkins Eardisley/Clifford HEF
Ireland: Culhane Limerick; Doolan Clare
Wales: Lewis BRE/DEN, Jones Eglwysbach DEN
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