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Ju
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Hi!
I was hoping that someone might be able to trace the family
of Cornelius and Elizabeth Spain in the Census Returns for
1861 and 1871, probably in East Stonehouse or Plymouth.
They married in Wirksworth, Derbys in 1838 but by 1862 they
had moved to Devon, their daughter Harriet being married
at East Stonehouse in that year with her sister Louisa acting
as a witness.
Elizabeth Spain died at 3 Wyndham Street West, Plymouth in
1877. Her death certificate states that she was the widow of
Cornelius, whose occupation was given as being a draper -
at the time of his marriage he was a hawker and on Harriet's
marriage certificate it said he was a traveller! Her daughter
Rose Spain was present at the death.
I have not been able to find any record of Cornelius' death,
so if anyone is able to track this down.....need I say more!
Hopefully someone will be able to shed a bit of light on this
side of my family history.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Ju
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Hudman - Glos/Worcs Sparey - Wilts Cummins - Wilts Attwood - Glos (Ashchurch area) Kent - Berks Spain - Devon/Dorset/Derbys Scown - Cornwall/Devon/East Riding of Yorks Major - East Riding of Yorks/Lincs Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Nicky
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This would appear to be Elizabeth in 1871.
Address 8 Wilton Street
Elizabeth Spain, Head, Widow, age 59, female, born Ashbourne, Derby
Henry Scown, Grandson, age 8,Male, born Plymouth, Devon
RG10/2137 Folio 22 Page 38
Stoke Damerel
Sorry cant see a death for Cornelius.
Nicky
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Ju
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Hi Nicky!
Thanks for looking at this for me-it is definitely 'my' Elizabeth,
as Harriet Spain (her daughter) married Henry Scown and
I know they had a son also called Henry, who was born in
Plymouth.
As for Cornelius Spain, I know that he and Elizabeth had left
Derbyshire by 1851, but am still none the wiser as to when
and why they ended up in Devon. Sometimes I wish families
would stay in one place, but then I guess that makes it much
less interesting and I've got more than enough 'ag labs' in
some of the other branches of my family!
Anyway, thanks again!
Ju
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Ju
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Hi there!
Just to say thanks to everyone who has looked into this
for me so far!
I now know that Cornelius and his family were living in
Exeter at the time of the 1851 Census and it may be
that they did not settle in Plymouth prior to the Census
in 1861 as I first thought.
If anyone can spare the time to see if they can be found
anywhere in Devon in the 1861 Census I would be very
grateful.
Ju.
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PaulineJ
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RG9/1440 Plymouth (St Andrew ) Folio 61
"XXX" Buildings, King Street West
Elizabeth Spain 1818 Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England Head WIDOW, LABOURER
Harriet Spain 1838 Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England Daughter PRINTER
Louisa Spain 1843 Nottingham, Derbyshire, England Daughter PRINTER
Roza Spain 1848 Blandford, Dorset, England Daughter
Thomas Spain 1850 Exeter, Devon, England Son
Cornelious Spain 1852 Exeter, Devon, England Son
Pauline
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debbi2k
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I have PM you with the 1851 census incase you didnt have it.
Best wishes
Debbi
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Ju
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Hi!
Thanks for taking the trouble to look into this for me.
I had already been sent the census info, although I was only looking
at it again the other day to try to work out what Harriet and Louisa's
occupation was in 1861. I wasn't really sure, so now that's been solved!
I'm now hoping that someone might be able to help me find out what
happened to the male members of the family after 1861, as they are the
ones I'm having problems with!
I now know that Cornelius Spain was born in Dublin in about 1818.In 1851 he
was living with his family in Exeter, with his occupation given as a spectacle
maker and lodging house keeper. As Elizabeth was a widow in 1861 he must
have died between 1851 and 1861, but I cannot find any details of his death,
despite going through all the records on 1837online. There is a Cornelius
Spain living in Liverpool in 1861 whose details tie up apart from the fact that
he is unmarried, but I cannot prove if this is the same man. If anyone can find
the details of his death I would be very grateful as it's really bugging me!
Cornelius and Elizabeth had another son, Michael, who was born in Blandford,
Dorset in about 1845. He was on a vessel called the Implacable in Cornwall in
1861, but I do not have any info on him after this.
Thomas Spain joined the Royal Navy - in 1881 he was on the "Serapis" - but
I cannot find him on the 1871 census.
Finally, I cannot find Cornelius Spain, born in 1852, on any census returns
after 1861. However, FreeBMD shows the marriage of a Junier Spain in the
district of Stoke Damerel in the Qtr to Mar 1870, which might possibly be him.
Well, I think that covers everything!
Any help in tracing the elusive Spains would really be appreciated.
Ju
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