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Topic: Completed 1891 Census Lookup Durban Waite Please (Read 451 times)
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waiteohman
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Hello
Could someone please help me? I tried searching on ancestry.com and could not find Durban Kirby Waite my ggrandfather. He was born Micklegate, York, Yorkshire June 26, 1881 and immigrated to Boston in 1909. I have found him in the Yorkshire BMD and on the U.S. 1910 census (found under Waits). I should find him on the 1891 and possibly 1901 census in England;however, I have had no success so far. Would someone be able to help or have some suggestions please?
Linda
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Bee
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Hi Linda. welcome to rootschat 
I've tried without success to find Durban, have you any other info that might help trace him. Do you know the names of his parents or siblings?
Bee
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Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes, Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker, in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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waiteohman
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Hello Bee
Thank you for checking . No I don't know his parent. I found his birthdate on his WW1 papers and place of birth and then found Micklegate on the Yorkshire BMD. I haven't requested a copy of his birth certificate, so I don't know his parents yet.
Linda
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waiteohman
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Hello Bee
I have additional information. Parents for Durban are:
William J. Waite (husband)
Louisa K. Waite (wife)
Would you be able to check with this new information for me please?
Linda
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Bee
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Hi Linda,
Still can't find Durban or his family on the 1891 census.
I checked back to the 1881 census and found what could be his mother and siblings. The father isn't at home but Louisa is down as the wife of a quarter master in the 7th Hussars and the children are born in various places including Ireland and Scotland. If this is the family, maybe they are just not in England in 1891.
I have found this same family on the 1901 census and going by the ages/place of birth of the children, it looks as though they could have been in India during the 1891 census.
If you want the details from the 1901 and 1881, just yell
Bee
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waiteohman
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Hello Bee
Please the census info would be great and thank you for the digging and the offer. Maybe I can tie the children to both parents. I also think your on the right track, as his son had military service in England before enlisting in WW1. Great detective work Bee, I would not have thought of this.
Thank you so much.
Cheers,
Linda
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Bee
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Hi Linda
1881 census RG11/4720 folio 123 page 38
living at 1, Newton Terrace, York
WAITE
Louisa/wife/mar/27/wife Quarter M. 7th Hussars/York Yorkshire
Louisa E/dau/9/scholar/Aldershot Hants
Melville G K/son/7/scholar/Maidstone Kent
Rosetta K/dau/6/scholar/Maidstone Kent
William K/son/4/scholar/Edinbrough Scotland
Percival K/son/2/Newbridge Ireland
Sydney K/son/4 months/Cahir? Ireland
Susanna Tolhurst/servant/23/nursemaid domestic/Maidstone Kent
1901 census RG13/4816 folio 185 page 27
living at 17 Elmfield Road, Coxlodge, Northumberland
WAITE
William J/head/mar/59/Captain late 7th Hussars retired ...?/Kensington London
Louisa/wife/mar/47/York Yorkshire
Lillie K/dau/16/Aldershot hants
Charles K/son/13/East India Madras
Victoria M K/dau/under 11 months/Gosforth Northumberland
All the children seem to have the initial K in their middle name, maybe Kirby, Louisa's maiden name.
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Bee
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Hi
This looks like some of the children in 1891, RG12/1024 folio 160 page 18
living at Helston House School, Helston, Middlesex
Percy K Waite/12/pupil/Ireland Dublin
William K Waite/pupil/14/Scotland Edinburgh
RG12/873 folio 82 page 13
living at Bayfield, Portsea, Hampshire, it appears to be another school
Melville G K Waite/boarder/17/scholar/Kent Maidstone
still no sign of Durban, but if the details I've given are for the correct family then I think that the age of Sydney (the youngest child named on the 1881) must be slightly wrong as you have Durban's birth less than 3 months after the census.
happy hunting
Bee
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J.J.
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I know you have this but I always think it is so amazing when these ladies follow their men with all these wee ones....
Charles Waite
Born February 23 1888
Christened March 21 1888
Calicut, , Tamil Nadu, India
Parents William John Waite & Louisa
Rosetta Kirby Waite's extracted Christening is on there as well & a submission for Percival
Amazing woman looking at BMD and census... ( don't know if blue were hers)
1872 Louisa Eleanor Farnham
1873 Melville George K. Maidstone
1875 Rosetta Kirby Maidstone
William K (1877?) Edinbrough Scotland
1878 James Kirby Towcester
Percival K/son (1879?) Newbridge Ireland
Sydney K (1881?) Cahir? Ireland
1881 Durban Kirby York
1883 Reginald Kirby Colchester
1884 Lillie Kirby Farnham
1888 Charles K. India
1900 Victoria Maud K Castle W.
and might belong to a son...
1910 Percival Kirby Brentford
http://www.genealogy.com/users/s/t/e/Margaret-Stehbens/PHOTO/0019photo.html
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waiteohman
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Hello JJ
I think Louisa probably had it easier than many (had it maid so to speak  ). She had a nursemaid to help raise the kids and some boys were found sent to boarding schools. The family spread out across the globe, guess they were so used to it as kids.
Their first child Louisa Eleanor birth registered at Bootham York 1854 Farnham. She is on the 1881 census as daughter. I think the only one that missed getting the Kirby name.
I had Charles from census, but completely overlooked getting the details off the IGI. Thank you. He may have died in BC in March 2, 1940. I just noticed a Charles Kirby Waite death there.
So far I know that Durban and William immigrated to Canada and possibly Charles now.
My Durban missed the 1881 census (born 26 June 1881) and is in the Boer War 1901 (so not on the census). The family must still be in India in 1891, with the exception of the older boys that were sent off to boarding schools in England. So the only census I have for Durban on is the US 1910, he's no longer living at home.
I think Sidney and Durban may have been born close together. Looks like Sidney ended up in Australia and served during the Second Boer War Reg # 29755. I will make a request on the military board, maybe a birth date can be found for Sidney.
If she had those 2 additional ones you found, that would make 12 children. Sure looks likely.
Cheers and thanks so much,
Linda
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Oh, yes, missed the first one ( I know you meant the next one on the list)There is a Louisa Eleanor registered in 1872 Farnham...census has her as born Aldershot...but maybe they registered her at the next posting...
I like that they have the mother's surname in their second & third names...and yes, the 9 month gestation period seemed to have barely been up...haha...
There are at least 3 rootschatters in B.C. now, so a lookup with b.c. in the subject line for Charles will likely get results!
J.J.
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waiteohman
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Oop all confusing.
Mother Louisa is Bootham and Louisa Eleanor as you have.
I think you may be spot on with the two new boys. The Regimental # of Reginald Kirby Waite is one before Sidney
http://www.hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/IYW.html
John gave me 4 death certs. Sooo nice of him. I compiled a family story for my dad and included copies of those certs.
Linda
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Guess maybe James isn't yours, though as he is married in same district as birth...and never showed up on the 1881....Did you find Reginald in 1891? J.J.
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waiteohman
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Didn't find Reginald in 1891. I image he would have been in India, if in fact he is their issue. He won't be on 1901 with his military service.
One way to be sure about James would be his marriage or birth record. I will list him as a maybe. He could have been in England like the other boys in 1891 and may be mistranscribed. The boys weren't all in the same schools.
Linda
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This database wasn't working the other day, but found his attestation papers! Signed up Nov. 10 1914 in Que....
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/654239a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/654239b.gif
Durban Kirby Waite
birth: June 26th 1881
NOK: Mrs. Lena Elvira Ohman Waite
Address:
25 St. Mary Sherbrook Que.
53rd regiment 8 years rifle brigade...
so this may be why he doesn't turn up under regular Censuses...??
Ohman is a Swedish/German sounding name...I saw one couple in 1911 Quebec....but none with a Lena
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