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Topic: M.SMYTH PEAS,CHIPS,FISH SHOP - Manchester Part One (Read 6022 times)
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DS
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Does anyone know whereabouts in Manchester "M.SMYTH PEAS,CHIPS,FISH" shop was located and does anyone have any information about the Smyth family that ran the shop ?
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In the same box that we discovered the photograph shown above we have now also found some references to South Manchester and one mention of Chorlton on Medlock. These may not be related to the photograph but on the other hand, they might provide a clue.
There is also a reference to a “Maggie” which could refer to the M. Smyth in the photograph.
Can anyone hazard a guess about the approximate year that the photograph was taken based on the styles of the clothing and the shop window display etc ?
DS
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Fish and chip shops started to become "fashion" a hundred years ago.My husband's grandfather owned the first English fish and chip shop in Wigan and that was around 1910.I personally would put that photo around that time as well.On the Historical Directories site it is showing 1909 a Mary Smith in West Gorton with a fish and chip shop ,just wonder if they got the spelling wrong.It may be worth wading through some of the directories.
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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Had a look at some directories at the records office but nothing came to light.Can you see what the adverts say on the photo?
Dotty
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hello Dotty.
I am sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to you. Many thanks for taking an interest and for the information that you have already provided.
I have tried to read what the items in the window say but I have not been successful.
Other people who have seen the photograph offsite have also suggested a date in the range 1900 to 1915.
Thanks again.
DS
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celia
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Hi D.S
just in case you are interested i came across in one of the 1900 directories Under occupations a small amount about 5
Of "Fried Fish Dealers"This sounds like they could be the beginning of the chip Shops business. In the way of eating places,their isn't much under trades only cafe's (few & far between) and hotels.
Celia
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DS
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Hello Celia.
Thank you for the information. It seems to add to the general view that the photograph was probably taken between 1900 - 1915.
I don't suppose that the directories to which you refer gave any addresses in Manchester for the few "Fried Fish Dealers" that were around at the time ?
DS
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celia
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Hi DS
I have at the moment got an on going project,that is to take all the Pubs,Inns & Taverns from the Directories Lancashire of years available to me on the net,but not in my Library.I am doing Liverpool & Cheshire (on the relvent boards)And some Lancaster.As it takes a lot of time copying,numbering pages,then indexing ready to put on disk.I cant do all Lancashire, I will leave Manchester for someone else  I haven't got enough life left anyway
I only started a couple of week ago and i have some already on disk and some waiting.If i can get on the directories,i will have a look see for you. I was pleased to find a None Gore and whoever directory in the library an early one. Liverpool 1824.Haven't been able to get on the site today to do more work.If i can i will let you know if i find anything it takes ages so don't hold your breath.You can have a look as well 
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Hello
It is a while since this topic was at the forefront but someone (with far better eyesight and far better equipment than mine ) has recently managed to pick out some of the words on the notices in the shop window.
They are apparently mainly advertisements for Theatres and Cinemas. So it is a possibility that the chip shop was in the same general area as some of the places that it was advertising.
The names which have been picked out for certain (I am told) are "Victoria Theatre", "Grand" and "Poplar".
The general consensus seems to be that the picture was taken somewhere between 1900 and 1918.
Does anyone know of an area of or near Manchester (probably in the suburbs rather than in the centre) which had Theatres or Cinemas with those names around that time ?
Apparently, also, the show which was being advertised at the Poplar in the shop window was possibly called "Anguish" so if anyone went to see it and can remember the exact date, that would be very helpful
DS
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Try this site www.merciacinema.org.uk/gaz
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hello again Dotty
Thank you for that information.
The link itself did not work (it took me to an error page) but I used the first bit of it in a search and then found the site from there.
I will have a look at it later and see where it leads.
It was you who first suggested trying to read what the notices in the shop window said  and a year later we have eventually managed to do it (to some extent).
Thanks again
DS
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Just to add further info. there was the Victoria Theatre in Salford, the building I believe is still standing!!
Bill
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DS
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Hi Bill
Thanks for the information.
My sister and I will look into it.
Cheers
DS 
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Hi there, wonder how you are getting on with this?
I was browsing the net as you do and found this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/48/a4519848.shtml
memories of wartime Manchester, in the Moston/Failsworth area where my mother grew up. Toward the end of the article it mentions several old cinemas including the Popular Picture Palace and the Grand, both on Oldham Rd. There is also mention of another cinema on Victoria Avenue.
It rang a bell because I had read your post and thought how unusual 'Poplar' was for a cinema/theatre name, so it stuck in my mind. Could Poplar actually be Popular?
I was actually looking for my gt grandfathers pie shop, but there you go!
Barbara
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LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, McGibbon,Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry DERBYS: Goodwin, Grant LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Dear Barbara,
The Popular cinema was also in Hulme. It was on the corner of where Jackson Street became Boston Street and a little bit further on (not on Boston Street) was the Crescent cinema. At the back of the "Pop" was the Hulme Hippodrome and the Junction Cinema (which latterly became associated with the BBC)
Bill
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