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clazey
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Here goes...I was sent a photograph of a headstone that was quite old. The sender had no idea where this stone was located as she found it in her great-grandmother's trunk. On the stone it said, "erected by James Oswald Clazey" or something to that effect. I have misplaced the photo and have begun tearing things apart looking for it!! I have more on that...Mary Clazie baptized 19 April 1809, Fogo. Father: James Clazie.
1881 UK Census:
Little House Farm Stringers Common, Worplesdon, surrey, England.
John Wilson, 75 b. Oxton, Scotland. Farmer
Mary Wilson, 68 b. Fego, Scotland
Arthur Williams 17, b. Weybridge, Surrey, Ag. Lab.
Elizabeth Hampton, 14 b. Woking, Surrey, Servant.
1841: Parish of Stoke, Manor Farm. Surrey
John Wilson, 30
Mary Wilson 30
It is a headstone...and as I recall it was good size. Mary died before John did so perhaps John's is nearby as well.
Sharon
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eltelf
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I have a Ninian Ker in my family tree who I think is the same one - mine had a daughter Geils (born 1792), who married William Telford (from Dumfries) in 1809.
'on September 10 1809 William Telford and Giles (Geils) Kerr, daughter of Ninnian Kerr deceased in Sunnyside. Having been irregularly married at Lambarton Toll on 27 August 1809 had their marriage this day confirmed by our Kirk Parson'
Sunnyside is I presume the farm of that name between Auchencrow and Reston, Coldingham.
I have not found any other trace yet of Ninian, but William and Geils lived in a farm called Stony Moor Riggs near Foulden, and their children are born in Foulden - they were living there in 1851, and at least one of their grandchildren was born there in 1850.
I would be very interested if anyone has any more information of Ninian Kerr.
I went tooling through the LDS site...
Ninian Ker married Janet Purves 03 February 1786 Chirnside.
Helen Carre born 28 May 1843, Edrom.
Father: Ninian Carre
Mother: Catherine Runciman
Margaret Claisy, 21 February 1789, Polwarth
Father: James Claisy.
Ninian seems to be a name that carries down...have you found any Ninians in the Kerr line?
Sharon
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eltelf
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Hi Sharon,
I have been tracing all the farms my Telford / Kerr family lived on - Sunnyside is still there but now a riding school for the disabled. Would be interested to see if there is a Kerr /Clezy connection. The Kerrs are a new bit of the family for me, but 'Ninian Kerr' should be unusual enough to find I hope.
Best wishes,
Lesley
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clazey
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Forgot to add...name was spelled Ker...I also have her burial location as well along with her husband and most of their children.
It was their youngest son, John, who married Isabella Oswald. I am descended from their oldest son, George Oswald Clazey. Their last and youngest daughter, Mary, married a Wilson...rebuked for a clandestine marriage...they had a farm in Surry and that is where both died.
Sharon
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caraid
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Hi
I've no connections to these family's but here is some MI from Chirneside you might be interested in
Number 181: Ninean Ker 14.7.1806 75yrs
on back
Mary Galdie?Calder? spouse to Ninian Ker tenant in Reston West Side 5.12.1775 45yrs, children Mary, James, Mary and Margaret son George
Number 182: John Ker late tennant in Green Mains 1.11.1787 68yrs
on side
Elizabeth Hogg spouse to John Ker portioner in Berwick 23.11.1808 43yrs. Ninian and 2 Johns and 3 daus. of their children who all died in inf.
Number 183:Helen Carr wife of James Clezy 5.4.1826 62yrs. son Joseph 18.5.1823 23yrs. said James Clezie 8.6.1833 66yrs. Margaret Clazey wife of Thomas Taucher 23.11.1856 65yrs. James Clazey son of above James Clazey d. Hutton 8.12.1860 58yrs.
These are from David Cargill's Berwickshire Monumental Inscriptions (pre 1855) and was compiled during the summers of 1867-1970
Fiona
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eltelf
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Hi Sharon and Fiona,
This is wonderful - there is lots here to get looking at. The Ninian Ker in the Chirnside MI that Fiona quotes could be the right one for me - when his daughter Geils married William Telford in 1809 he was deceased. I am on holiday in Spain at the moment, so a bit away from my records, but will check all this when I get back. Thanks again (Sharon - I will message you off list with my email - I would be v grateful if you could send me scan of the Banns & Marriages Chirnside that you mention).
Best wishes,
Lesley
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clazey
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I did a quick check through the IGI: Ninian Ker married Margaret Teleford 7 July 1818, Coldingham.
John Ker married Elizabeth Hogg 01 November 1785.
Ninian Carr b. 25 March 1806 married Catherine Runciman 17 February 1837. Father of Ninian was Thomas., Coldingham.
Scan is on the way.
Sharon
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Hi again
Just found a Ninian Kerr maried to Marine Caldra 8th June 1753 in Buncle & Preston. That would tie in with Grave no 181 that I gave earlier.
Fiona
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Dear all,
Many thanks to you all for your help in my Kerr searches. I have now had a message from another contact who has done extensive research in the Kerr family in Berwick - so I am going to go through that.
The wonders of the internet!
I will keep an eye open for any Clezy, Clezie connections and post them here if I find them.
Thanks again,
Lesley
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Sharon,
In regard to the 1703 marriage of William Clazy to Katharin Liongat in Hutton, Berwickshire, I wonder whether Katharin's last name has been mis-read. I confess that I haven't seen a photograph of the actual marriage entry, but in checking on FamilySearch I found that this marriage is the sole occurrence of the name 'Liongat' or 'Liongate' anywhere on their website. I suspect that the name really was
'Lidgat(e)' or possibly "Ludgat(e)'. Although the IGI has only 7 Lidgats in Britain (& only one of those in Scotland), it has about 425 LidgatE events. More than half of those are in England (including 27 in Northumberland) but 194 are in Scotland (including 92 in Berwickshire, 14 in Roxburghshire, and almost all the others in the Lothians). The Berwickshire entries include large concentrations in Chirnside and Duns. The name 'Ludgate' occurs quite frequently in England, and there are also about 110 Scottish Ludgate events listed, including 32 in Berwickshire. So . . . my guess is "Katharin Lidgat(e)".
Some time ago you asked about the book "Pae Dirt". A few years ago, when living in the New York metropolitan area, I consulted this little book in the NY Public Library, and I have photocopies of a few pages which interested me. Much of the work deals with Paes, Peays etc. in North America. However, pages 1-5 discuss the family background in Scotland, and traditions which suggest a French Huguenot link (as with the Clezys and Paulins). Pages 7-23 consist of summarized details of Pae entries in Coldingham, Chirnside and other Berwickshire parish registers, occasionally with brief notes by author Phyllis Richards Kyle. For the baptism of Margaret Pae, 10 Feb. 1771, she has the note "Is this the Margaret who married James Steele in 1793?" From the details Kyle compiled a likely descent can be seen from Archibald Pae to his son Alexander (m. Janet Kay 1706), to his son Archibald (m. secondly to Mary Anderson in 1739), to their son Alexander (m. Elspeth Allanshaw 1766), to Margaret Pae who married James Steele.
I am descended from Isabella Steele Clezy, one of the younger daughters of John Clezy and wife Mary Steele, who emigrated to South Australia in 1849 on the "Anna".
Best wishes, Bob
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Thank you! I have not done much lately with genealogy and was pulling some things out to get back at it! The spelling makes perfect sense and I knew I had a Lidgate somewhere on one of the documents I had - found it June 16, 1756 - on same page as James Claizy and Helen Ker - Proclamation of Banns and Marriages - Alexander Lidgate in Ninewells(?) to Mary Home?. I had been in correspondence with Dr. Peter Clezy in Australia and with the very last letter I received from him he said that somewhere he had information on John Clazey who had married an Oswald. To this day I have been unable to find either a marriage or death record for John Clazey. I do have the death register for his wife Isabella Oswald Clazey in 1875. In 1841 Census she is living with one son and the other son is an apprentice elsewhere.
I have always suspected that James Claizy and William Clazy are related but been unable to prove the connection. A couple of us think James was a son of George and Agnes Middlemist or Middlemiss. They had a son William as well. That is as far back as I have been unable to get.
I have not heard from DR. Clezy in a very long time...he did send a letter from the 1930s from the last of one Clazy line - George the minister - again speculation - George, James and William possible brothers.
I will begin hunting around ...would love to one day find John and Isabella information and prove connections between the above! Would love to discover when or where the name came from...find Clazeys abt. 1645 in Berwick Upon Tweed but nothing before that.
Sharon
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