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Topic: Cousin Once Removed? / How are we related ? (Read 2215 times)
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pipkim
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Hi All,
It's probably me being stupid  , but I have never understood the relationship hierarchy, such as 1st cousin once removed.
Is there a table on the internet which simplifies this, so I can workout relationships in the family tree?
Cheers
Pipkim 
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« Last Edit: Saturday 20 May 06 12:48 UTC (UK) by Berlin-Bob »
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Cheshire - Shustoke, Atherstone, Nuneaton, Birmingham
Morgan - Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester, Birmingham (Morjeanstern - France, Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester)
Quinn/Quin - Ireland, Liverpool, Leicester, Birmingham
Bailey/Health/Andrews - Birmingham, (Stepney briefly), Smethwick, Bristol
Thomas/Keen - Oxfordshire, Westminster
Hooker - Odiham, Romsey, IofW, Basingstoke, London St Geo Sq
Census information is Crown Copyright, from National Archives
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Boongie Pam
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HI Pipkim,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,113441.0.html
Dimps has posted a link that may help you. It's easier to see it pictorially - it's Julian's excellent site.
Cheers,
Pam
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Berlin-Bob
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Sharon is right:
your cousin is ...... your (first) cousin !
his/her children are a generation "removed", therefore "1st. cousin, once removed"
BUT: a child of your greataunt/uncle is also a 1st. cousin once removed
Everybody has their own "best" way of seeing things, so here is another "helper"
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/krakow/relations.asp
you can either "select a relation" and look at a mini-table or click on "additional utilities", "show all relationships" to get the full chart.
Bob
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Searching for Coleman, Moore, Kallnung in London; Margulies, Remenyi in E. Europe; Ancestors of Hessie Stevenson-Coleman-Baxter (Ireland, 1861) and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site. All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk) |
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pipkim
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Many thanks pam, Sharon and Bob. I shall study these and hopefully understand them, not to mention, bookmarking them for future reference.
Cheers
Pipkim
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Cheshire - Shustoke, Atherstone, Nuneaton, Birmingham
Morgan - Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester, Birmingham (Morjeanstern - France, Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester)
Quinn/Quin - Ireland, Liverpool, Leicester, Birmingham
Bailey/Health/Andrews - Birmingham, (Stepney briefly), Smethwick, Bristol
Thomas/Keen - Oxfordshire, Westminster
Hooker - Odiham, Romsey, IofW, Basingstoke, London St Geo Sq
Census information is Crown Copyright, from National Archives
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julianb
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Dimps has posted a link that may help you. It's easier to see it pictorially - it's Julian's excellent site.
Pam
You're very kind!
There's a print-friendly version of the chart on my website - can be found by following this URL:
http://juliancbaker.rootschat.net/html/what_kind_of_cousin_are_we_-_p.html
The key thing with this is to work off the common ancestor.
JULIAN
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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrell, Surry, Theobald Hunts - Danns Kent - Luetchford Nottinghamshire - Baker Suffolk - Rose Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble Rootschatters fh websites - http://www.rootschat.com/links/04lg/ Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ |
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pipkim
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Just one more question, I've found one of my father's cousins (my Grandmothers nephew).
Who is he to me? 
Should I have picked that up in the chart?
Cheers
Pipkim
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Cheshire - Shustoke, Atherstone, Nuneaton, Birmingham
Morgan - Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester, Birmingham (Morjeanstern - France, Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester)
Quinn/Quin - Ireland, Liverpool, Leicester, Birmingham
Bailey/Health/Andrews - Birmingham, (Stepney briefly), Smethwick, Bristol
Thomas/Keen - Oxfordshire, Westminster
Hooker - Odiham, Romsey, IofW, Basingstoke, London St Geo Sq
Census information is Crown Copyright, from National Archives
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julianb
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Pipkim
Yes the chart can deal with that - find the common ancestor - which I assume will be your grandmother's parents (as the nephew will be their grandchild - a child of a brother or sister to your grandmother).
So the common ancestor between you is your great grandparents. Then work it out from the chart. (I won't give the answer here!)
JULIAN
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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrell, Surry, Theobald Hunts - Danns Kent - Luetchford Nottinghamshire - Baker Suffolk - Rose Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble Rootschatters fh websites - http://www.rootschat.com/links/04lg/ Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ |
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pipkim
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Thanks Julian, now I've got it, 2nd cousin, I think.
Cheers
Pipkim
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Cheshire - Shustoke, Atherstone, Nuneaton, Birmingham
Morgan - Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester, Birmingham (Morjeanstern - France, Liverpool, Burnley, Leicester)
Quinn/Quin - Ireland, Liverpool, Leicester, Birmingham
Bailey/Health/Andrews - Birmingham, (Stepney briefly), Smethwick, Bristol
Thomas/Keen - Oxfordshire, Westminster
Hooker - Odiham, Romsey, IofW, Basingstoke, London St Geo Sq
Census information is Crown Copyright, from National Archives
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julianb
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Thanks Julian, now I've got it, 2nd cousin, I think. Cheers Pipkim
Spot on!
JULIAN
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Essex - Carter, Danns, Mason, Middleditch, Pond, Poole, Rose, Sorrell, Surry, Theobald Hunts - Danns Kent - Luetchford Nottinghamshire - Baker Suffolk - Rose Surrey - Baker, Bedel, Bransden, Carter, Coleman, Gibbs, Luetchford, Quinton Sussex - Gibbs, Langridge Wiltshire - Brice, Rumble Rootschatters fh websites - http://www.rootschat.com/links/04lg/ Any census info in this post is Crown Copyright - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ |
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Lambendsor (aka IGS)
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This has come in handy for me:
http://www.stevemorse.org/relation/calculator.html
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ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford
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Comosus
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your cousin is ...... your (first) cousin !
his/her children are a generation "removed", therefore "1st. cousin, once removed"
BUT: a child of your greataunt/uncle is also a 1st. cousin once removed I think some people add "ascending" and "descending" to differentiate between the two.
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Leeds - HOLMES (also at Boston Spa, Thorp Arch), SCHOLEY/SCOREY/SCHORAH (also at Stanley, Wakefield), TURVEY (also at Birmingham), WARD, WHITE, WOODHEAD (also at Halton, Whitkirk, Templenewsam). Dewsbury - CRAWSHAW, GLEDHILL, SPEIGHT Great Horton - RAMSDEN, SHACKLETON, WOOLER Woolsthorpe by Belvoir - SMITH Barrowby and South Stoke, Lincolnshire - PARKER Derby and Newhall - STREET Census information Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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TAP1970
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Wooooooohooooooooooo, I have found a distant relative and I wanted to know how exactly we would be related (... 2nd cousin 6 times removed as an example!!). The common interest is our GREAT GREAT GREAT Grandparents and we are on the same level of generations. Including our GREAT GREAT GREAT Grandparents are the 6th generation.
1) great great great grandparent (common factor) (same)
2) great great grandparents b. 1836 (same)
3) great grandparents (different: sister & brother)
4) grandparents (different)
5) parents (different)
6) then us - distant relatives
Hope the above makes sense to you - if not, let me know.
It would be great to find out exactly.
Thankyou
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Morris, Purssey - Chertsey, Loring, Hall(s) - Cambridgeshire, Corder, Brazier - Cambridgeshire, Miller, Rosewell, Powell, Leach, Dacey, Doyle - Ireland, Hancock, Good - Hampshire, Blake - IoW, Yeakes, Whiting, Bradman, Stubbing, Hodd, Tutt, Thompson, Adley.
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rjknott
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You are third cousins. As you are the same generation there are no 'removed's.
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,Bird,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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TAP1970
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Many thanks for that. As it happens I found the link on the forum giving clear instructions - but how does it work if not on the same generation - I suppose that when it becomes "removed"?
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Morris, Purssey - Chertsey, Loring, Hall(s) - Cambridgeshire, Corder, Brazier - Cambridgeshire, Miller, Rosewell, Powell, Leach, Dacey, Doyle - Ireland, Hancock, Good - Hampshire, Blake - IoW, Yeakes, Whiting, Bradman, Stubbing, Hodd, Tutt, Thompson, Adley.
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