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Sunnie
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census look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« on: Thursday 21 October 04 02:49 UTC (UK) »
Hello.

James Harman born abt 1801 married Maria Saltern born abt 1803. They had 11 children, all born at Beaconsfield.

George born 1823 marr. Elizabeth Druce in 1845
Henry marr. Eliza Cooper in 1846
Eliza mar. Mark Mountley in 1848
Mary mar. William Piner in 1847
James
Richard
Charles born 1835 marr. Harriet Hook
Lucy born 1838 died 1847
Fanny ch. 1840
John born. 1843 died 1847
Joseph born 1846 died 1846

If someone could follow these people thru the census's I would be very gratefull.

Francis & Tara Thanks for your help so far.

Sunnie
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HARMAN / HOOK / DRUCE / COOPER / MOUNTLEY / PINER - Buckinghamshire
BRETTELL / COX / JONES - Staffordshire - Gloucestershire
FLETCHER / BRIERLEY / MARROW /HOLT / FINCH - Lancashire
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 October 04 08:56 UTC (UK) »
Hi Caryn,

This is from the 1851 census.  Regards, Frances

Enumeration District  WINDSOR STREET  BEACONSFIELD

                                                           BORN

HARMAN JAMES      50 WELL SINKER   BURNHAM

MARIA                 48  LACE MAKER      HEDGERLEY

RICHARD             18  WELL SINKER    BEACONSFIELD

CHARLES             16  WELL SINKER    BEACONSFIELD

FANNY                 10   SCHOLAR           BEACONSFIELD
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Hope/Buckinghamshire    Palmer Cambridge
Hope/Camberwell            Palmer Essex  
Bolton/Camberwell           Emery Potton Bedfordshire
DeBoo/ Poplar/Anywhere           
Oliver /Chatteris, Cambs.   
Redkison/ Anywhere          
Carter Bedfordshire
Bernard/Stepney
Lawrence/Colchester Essex 
Carter/ Leytonstone
Bones/ Essex
Tullett/ Surrey/Essex
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 October 04 09:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Caryn,
Hope these may help you. Frances   

HARMAN, Henry bapt 21 Nov 1862 Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire
Parents: Charles & Harriett HARMAN
HARMAN, Eliza bapt 13 Nov 1864 Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshir
Parents: Charles & Harriet HARMAN
   
Just in case this one interests you.   

HOOK, Lucy bapt 10 Feb 1861    Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire, Parents: Thomas & Anne HOOK
   
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Hope/Buckinghamshire    Palmer Cambridge
Hope/Camberwell            Palmer Essex  
Bolton/Camberwell           Emery Potton Bedfordshire
DeBoo/ Poplar/Anywhere           
Oliver /Chatteris, Cambs.   
Redkison/ Anywhere          
Carter Bedfordshire
Bernard/Stepney
Lawrence/Colchester Essex 
Carter/ Leytonstone
Bones/ Essex
Tullett/ Surrey/Essex
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 October 04 09:31 UTC (UK) »
I am sorry I should have looked this up with my other census posting. Frances

HOOK   THOMAS  63   FARMER 27AC. 1 LAD   BORN HAMPSTEAD

          ANN            52      BORN  HEDGERLEY DEAN
       
         WILLIAM     25     "                "           FARMERS SON
       
          THOMAS     23     "                "                   "

          JOSEPH      18     "                 "                  "

          HARRIET     16    "                 "              SCHOLAR
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Hope/Buckinghamshire    Palmer Cambridge
Hope/Camberwell            Palmer Essex  
Bolton/Camberwell           Emery Potton Bedfordshire
DeBoo/ Poplar/Anywhere           
Oliver /Chatteris, Cambs.   
Redkison/ Anywhere          
Carter Bedfordshire
Bernard/Stepney
Lawrence/Colchester Essex 
Carter/ Leytonstone
Bones/ Essex
Tullett/ Surrey/Essex
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 October 04 14:44 UTC (UK) »
 Grin

Hello Francis,

Thank you very much for the information you supplied for me. It is always so exciting to gain more knowledge of one's ancestors.

Thank You       Caryn
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BRETTELL / COX / JONES - Staffordshire - Gloucestershire
FLETCHER / BRIERLEY / MARROW /HOLT / FINCH - Lancashire
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 November 04 01:04 UTC (UK) »
not sure if you need it but here is Charles in 1871 census


Brick Maker's cottage     
Harefield  Middlesex 
RG10/1309/15 p 22 schedule 112
ED 1 RD  Uxbridge 


Henry Daycol 40  Lodger  b Harefield  Middlesex   brick maker lab
Charles Harman Head 35  b Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire  brickmaker's labourer
Eliza Harman daughter 6 b Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire,
Harriet Harman wife  35 b Hedgerley Deen, Buckinghamshire
Henry Harman son 8 b Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire
James Harman son 4  b Drayton, Middlesex
Lucy Harman daughter 10 b Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire
William Harman son 7 months b Harefield, Middlesex

hope it helps

Tara
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Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 November 04 14:47 UTC (UK) »
Hello Tara,

Thank you very much for the look up. Brickmaker eh !!
Would I be pushing the friendship by asking if you could look up in 1851 or later the following families

George Harman m. 17.12.1845 Elizabeth Druce
Henry Harman m. 12.7.1846 Eliza Cooper
Eliza Harman m. 22.10.1849 Mark Mountley
Mary Harman m. 5.4.1847 William Piner

All married at Beaconsfield.

Thanks again for the info you have given me.

Regards     Sunnie
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HARMAN / HOOK / DRUCE / COOPER / MOUNTLEY / PINER - Buckinghamshire
BRETTELL / COX / JONES - Staffordshire - Gloucestershire
FLETCHER / BRIERLEY / MARROW /HOLT / FINCH - Lancashire
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 November 04 21:53 UTC (UK) »
Hi Sunnie


the earliest i have is 1871, if that is any use to you let me know, also to help with the search, were the below couples all married by 1871? And any approx ages too would be great

Tara
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Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 November 04 00:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tara,

Thank You

I don't have the birth dates for George, Henry, Eliza & Mary Harman. I have modified my post to show their marriage dates. I am guessing that in 1871 they would have been in their 40's / 50's

Thanks     Sunnie
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FLETCHER / BRIERLEY / MARROW /HOLT / FINCH - Lancashire
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 November 04 01:36 UTC (UK) »
here is George and Elizabeth

Elizabeth Harmon 47  Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire Wife  laundress
George Harmon 48  East Barsham, Buckinghamshire Head  general labourer
Mark Mountney 9  Farnham, Buckinghamshire, Nephew  scholar

Iron Bridge       
Hillingdon  St John  Middlesex 
RG10/1308/91 p 53 schedule 260
ED 8a  RD  Uxbridge 
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Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 November 04 01:59 UTC (UK) »


Thanks Tara

That's them !! I wonder where their own kids are & why only a nephew with them, so many questions

Thanks    Sunnie
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 November 04 02:09 UTC (UK) »
not having much luck with the others  Undecided Sad

Are all the Harman's that you listed (with their spouse's) siblings?? Do you know if any of the couples had children so i could search for them (age and place of birth)?
Have you found any of them in the 1881 census? I found Mark Mountney age 19 still with his uncle George - so perhap his parents died??
OR
There is this family in 1881 -
Household:

Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Mark MOUNTNEY   Head   M   Male   58   Knightsbridge, Middlesex, England   Gamekeeper    
Mary Ann MOUNTNEY   Wife   M   Female   60   Farnham Royal, Buckingham, England        
Maria MOUNTNEY   Daur   U   Female   17   Stoke Poges, Buckingham, England   Domestic Serv. Unemployed    
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Source Information:
 Dwelling   Stoke Common Duffield Farm
 Census Place Stoke Poges, Buckingham, England
 Family History Library Film   1341354
 Public Records Office Reference   RG11
 Piece / Folio   1462 / 54
 Page Number   3

and in 1871

Maria Mountainer 7  Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter  
Mark Mountainer 50  Burnham, Buckinghamshire Head  
Mary Mountainer 51  Burnham, Buckinghamshire Wife  
Civil parish:    Stoke Poges  
County/Island:    Buckinghamshire  
Country:    England  
Source information:    RG10/1402
Registration district:    Eton  
Sub-registration district:    Burnham  
ED, institution, or vessel:    10  
Folio:    136  
Page:    6
Household schedule number:    26

both Maria and Mark both born in Stoke Poges - so maybe a possibility

Roll Eyes Undecided Roll Eyes Undecided
Tara
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Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 November 04 02:29 UTC (UK) »
Hi Tara,

Unfortunatley I have to leave for work shortly, but Yes  George Henry Eliza & Mary Harman are all siblings, children of James Harman & Maria Saltern. I don't have any children for those married couples (except the nephew Mark) No I've not sighted any of them in 1881. Maybe also under Almond or Harmond

Gotta go

Sunnie
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Re: cencus look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 03 November 04 00:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Sunnie

had another looking but no luck, without an age and birthplace it makes it quite difficult.

I'd try for an earlier census - 1841 would perhaps have all the children on it, but doesn't give a birthplace and ages are rounded if an adult, else 1851 would have them and perhaps some children as all were married by then


sorry i can't be of more help  Embarrassed Cry

Tara
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Hertfordshire(Anstey, the Hadham, Reed, Standon): Gault, Hoy, Miles, Smith
Shropshire(Aston Botterell,Burwarton,Stoke St Milborough,Wheathill): Angell, Blackmore, Blakemore, Bennett, Pheysey
Essex(Dunmow,West Ham): Allen, Blackmore, Carr, Sutton
Warwickshire(Birmingham,Edgbaston): Angell
Yorkshire(Doncaster,Hull): Brooks, Doe
London/Middlesex area(Battersea,Wandsworth, Willesden): Angell, Brooks, Carr, Carswell, Salkind
Norfolk (Norwich,Nth Walsham,Lynn,Gt Yarmouth): Carr, Salkind
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Re: census look-up please Harman's of Buckinghamshire
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 November 04 00:56 UTC (UK) »


Hi Tara

Thanks

Sunnie
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